Washington  / Morocco Board News---    Algeria has awarded four German companies the largest contract ($10 billion)  for arms and military equipment ever signed by Algeria with a Western country. Algeria has been buying armaments and military equipment almost exclusively from Russia or former Soviet bloc countries.

Authorities in Algeria are willing to pay up to get either a recognition or a simple statement of support for their Western Sahara Separatist group, Polisario. During a visit to Berlin last December, Algerian President Abdelaziz Bouteflika, has managed to convince German Chancellor Angela Merkel to make a small gesture to the Polisario, when she said, in a joint press conference, that "her country shared the conviction of Algeria on the question of Western Sahara".

Since the announcement of the German green light for delivery of military equipment to Algeria, the leader of the Western Sahara Separatist Group, Mohamed Abdelaziz, has shown more confidence and bellicosity. According to Sahrawi sources in Tindouf, the old leader had been assured by the DRS, the Algerian military intelligence services that some of the equipment purchased will be made available to the Polisario troops stationed in Tindouf in Southwest Algeria.

This latest news is a welcome development for the Western Sahara Separatist leadership since a large portion of  their old  military gear has been decommissioned. The expected deliveries of new German equipment is a breath of fresh air and the Western Sahara Separatist group's regular threats of renewed hostilities against Morocco may be taken a bit more seriously.

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BOUI said:

morocco peoples be smart thats what germany and france wants for years its a war between morocco and algeria whay? Well after they destroy there countries and will have weak armies and economies they will borrow money from them they will own the economy of the maghreb just like they did to south europe greece-portugal-spain-italy to build this countries again they will need about a list 1 trillion dollars that means morocco and algeria will be slaves for the next 150 years to come to insure a good future for the german and french kids unlike us we think just about war and hate Lets unite and show them that we are smart not some s****d animals that anyone can take advantage off

12/23/11

Mouflon said:

Chtaini - rethink ur strategy in this social platform! Chtaini, Why are you concentrating your energy on disciplining commentators of this site? It really sounds like you've got a lot to say about many subjects. But right now, you are barking at the wrong tree again. Let us hear your opinions about the issues at hand. I care less what you think about other members or what on earth their alias is. With time, I can filter out a thinker from a sinker. A thinker benefits me with his/her ideas. A Sinker is a chaos starter. I will not read posts by the latter. Briefly, enlighten the readers. I can tell you are able to add some value. Don't turn this into a personal endless quarrel. The readers (including myself) will just get bored and wont read what you write. I challenge you with this. Each time there is an article you want to comment on, do it without reading any of the previous comments. I want to hear from a "Pure Chtaini". I want to hear from "Chtaini uncensured". Once you post your first "Pure Commentary", then post other comments, if you wish, in which you enter in a debate with other members. But do not discipline them. Just debate the ideas and share your knowledge with us (the 10,000 readers you referred to)!!!

07/25/11

Moroccan Patriot said:

Earth to Mr. Chaitni - Freedom of expression???? I know it is hard for Makhzeni's and those who are used to pushing the agenda of divine rule, but the reason that educated people no longer trust main stream propoganda machines like 2eme, CNN, Fox news, etc... is because of the honesty that can be found on sites like Moroccan Board. When people are allowed to speak freely without the fear of imprisonment, this is how free speech flows. Your demand that people identify themselves by name, before being allowed to make posts is beyond psychotic. The whole idea of Free speech is that people be allowed to say whatever they like. As for the 10,000 people who read MB... I think they are smart enough to filter out Makhzeni boot lickers and identify truth when they see it. I think the reason that you want people to identify themselves is so that you can intimidate people into silence. If the current Moroccan regime knew exactly who were writing posts that were against the monarchy, there would be many parlimentarians out of work tomorrow, sitting in underground torture dens, being subjected to enhanced interrogation. I forgot though, since you support the idea of some people having a, "divine right" to rule, abuse and steal from others, you probably support this. You would think that your limited time in the US would have taught you that Freedom of speech is ABSOLUTE (unless explicitly prohibited by law) - Incidentally, I am very offended that you choose to continue to push an agenda of hate towards our brothers and sisters in Algeria. Don't you understand that the divide and conquer tactics of the colonialists make it in our interests to work and trade with our brothers throughout the Arab and Muslim world. By constantly spreading hate against Algeria, Libya, Egypt, and any other country populated by Arab brothers, all you do is continue the downward cycle of self hate. If you had any courage, you would be denigrating the Germans, but instead your anger seems to be directed exclusively at Algerians... Can't you see that the Germans, Americans and French view all Muslims as roaches and they depend on usefull id--ts like Chiatni to maintain their firm grasp of neo colonial control over the Arab world. The real solutions to the problems of the people of Morocco and Algeria lie in bringing these people together, in making them trade with one another and see that they are truly brothers and sisters who differ only in their accents. The first rule of the Makhzeni is to intimidate. The first rule of the colonizer is to divide and conquer, so my first rule is to trade with your neigbor and never react out of fear.

07/25/11

polisario said:

mercenaries BUT not paid ,,,STRANGE MERECENARY MEANS A PROFESIONAL SOLDIER HIRED TO SERVE IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY.. I ASK YOU ,,, HAVE EVER SEEN ANY FOREIGN SOLDIER IN THE POLISARIO? DO THESE SOLDIER BEEN PAID FOR FIGHTING? IT WELL KNOWN THAT THE ISSUE OF WESTERN SAHARA IS A STRUGGLE FOR INDEPENDENCE AGAINST THE INVASION AND DON'T FORGET IN 1975 WHEN WESTERN SAHARA WAS DIVIDED BETWEEN MOROCCO AN MAURITANIA,EVEN YOU TRY TO CHANGE THE TOPIC ,,,EVERYBODY KNOWS THE TRUTH,,,,THIS IS NOT 1970 ,,,W AKE UP TIS IS 2011

07/25/11

Chtaini said:

... Chtaini said As someone to whom the Moroccan-Algerian and their Polisario mercenaries conflict is very hurtful reminder because the Algerian Army and its Polisario mercenaries killed a very dear member of his family in one of their cowardly attacks, I have one request to make from the Manager of Morocco Board: Can you please post only the comments coming from commentators who are not using pseudonyms when they comment on this issue. This is an extremely delicate and touchy issue which has caused many deaths on both sides because of the insistence of Algeria to continue meddling in Morocco’s internal affairs. These commentators should not hide behind false names while throwing fuel into the fire. I resent and reject anything said from now on by the so called “Moroccan Patriot”. Moroccan Patriots do not comment the way he has been commenting in this Board. If he is that much of a Patriot why does not he have the courage of his conviction and get rid the false alias assumed pseudonym by being proud of who he is. I have more respect for the commentators who uses the pseudonym Algerian than for this “False Moroccan Patriot”. As to Morcelli You mentioned two statements in spite of your calling the Algerian and the Polisario all the bad names you chose to call them in your comments and these two statements are: “The only thing that saved Morocco are the Algerian Islamists when they were winning in the polls, it had led the generals to turn their attention to kill their own people” The Moroccan warriors from the time of the Almoravids Dynasty have always overrun from Morocco to what is today Lybia any forces which stood in their way. This was repeated by the Almohads and the Merinid dynasties. When the powerful Ottoman Empire leaders came to conquer a part of the Arab World and North Africa, guess where they stopped? Tlemecen! They could not dare enter Morocco. It took France 40 years to pacify Morocco and Spain lost 25.000 soldiers in the battle in the Rif Mountains. The Moroccan warriors broke the back of the most powerful war machine in modern time “the Nazi War Machine” and crippled the Nazis and led to their defeat. In my own family I am proud that we have some of the most highly decorated Moroccan warriors who fought in the First World War, the Second World War. Morcelli don’t you ever; ever say again that the only thing that saved Morocco are the Algerian Islamists and their internal conflict with the Generals in Algeria”. Remember the “Sand War” for your information this is what we Moroccans fought for “From independence in 1956, the Kingdom of Morocco claimed the Tindouf area and western Algeria as part of Morocco. These claims are based on the allegations that until 1952, Tindouf was part of French Morocco and was administratively attached to Agadir, and promises made by parts of the Algerian underground during that country's war for independence. After Algeria's independence in 1962, Morocco's claim to Tindouf was not accepted by the new Algerian republic. This led to the 1963 Sand War, fought along the Moroccan-Algerian border in the Tindouf region.” has it not been for King Hassan, the Moroccan forces would have reached Algiers. As to your second statement: “ Hassan II was also very lucky because he was fighting a war that Morocco could not afford, luckily the Cold war was a blessing for Morocco who relied on the generosity of the US, France, and Saudi Arabia to repel the Polisario”. You must not know anything about the diplomatic history of the Kingdom of Morocco and the fighting spirit of Moroccans. King Hassan II chose peace over war. He could have overrun Tindouf and run the Polisario to the ground, but just as King Mohammed VI, He did not want to be the one who will start a war with Algeria. You must not understand the courage and the war savoir faire of the Moroccans and especially when they are fighting to protect their territorial integrity. Morocco will never launch a war against Algeria but if Algeria does so, the Algerian Generals know that it will be their end and Moroccan soldiers will be welcomed in Algeria as liberators. If as you said “the Algerian Generals were ready to kill 150,000 of their own, I don't see how they would hesitate to inflict the same on their archenemy”. These are scare tactics. If Morocco is unjustifiable attacked by Algeria, you can imagine Morcelli that King Mohammed VI can by one speech mobilize 10.000.000 Moroccan warriors to defend Morocco’s territorial integrity and rid Algeria of the oppressors of the Algerian people. So go easy in your future analysis of this conflict that I pray will never turn into a war between Algeria and Morocco. Many people will die but Morocco will prevail no matter how many arms the Algerian generals will buy. Morocco’s cause is a right cause. The Moroccan people and their King are peaceful people but as you know if the Algerian generals seek war, they know very well that we will fight them and win and as I said to you before “Wa Law Taret Ma3za”. Your turn “man on Blanc”: cut the bull and do not let you big mouth inflicts harm on you. You talk too much and give the impression that you know what you are talking about but unfortunately you do not. When you comment the way you do which makes you toxic against yourself and turn round and claim to be a “hero” because you get searched at the border, you give the impression that even by using a pseudonym that the customs at the Mohammed V airport are targeting you. Let me use a foul response as you did “No one gives a F..ck” whether you exist or not. You are searched by the customs because you must fit a drug mule profile. Again my request to the Manager of the Moroccan Board: If we are Moroccans and friends or foes of Morocco who use this board to communicate with one another even if we criticize as we see fit, is that only comments with no pseudonyms should be posted. This should apply to all. The motto would be “if you can say it, have the courage to back it and if it is only an opinion say with pride and do not hide”. These are again over 10,000 readers of this MB and I believe that we should respect them by at least being proud of who we are when we comment on issues as important as the one we comment on. Some of the 10,000 readers may not agree with me and what my views are but at least they know who I am. I think that they should have the opportunity to know who you are if you are going to comment in this board.

07/23/11

Aziz El Alami said:

... I rarely like to comment on Moroccan/Algerian issues… But this time, I felt like sharing my take on this unnecessary and everlasting conundrum: I once read this Old Russian tale about two poor peasants: Let’s call them Ivan and Boris. The only difference between them was that Boris had a goat and Ivan didn't. One day, Ivan came upon an old lamp and when he rubbed it, a genie appeared and told him that she could grant him anything in the world -- but it had to be only ONE wish! Ivan’s wish was: "I want Boris' goat to die." There are many variations of this fable throughout the world… But they all teach us few things about all human beings, not just Russians. How is this story related to Morocco and Algeria you might ask? Well -- I tell you… All of the posts and comments I read about these two neighboring countries show that Moroccans and Algerians are just like Ivan – The only thing they want is for Boris' goat to die. Their logic is simple (and flawed): they both despise and blame one another for their own miseries --forgetting that at the end of the day – they both are nothing more than two poor peasants! I don’t want Algeria’s “goat” to die… Let’s find her a male Moroccan goat and let’s have a herd we can all enjoy!!! (My Algerian friends – sorry you had to be the female goat… I did that out of love for you :-))

07/22/11

man en blanc said:

MOROCCO AND ALGERIA : MAKE SURE THAT BOTH COUNTRIES REMAIN BACKWARD! Who said that? The powers-that-be in Rabat and Algiers! That's who! Why would the elites in both capitals want to resolve anything if their statuses might end up in jeopardy? Think about it for a minute Morcelli. The Sahara is the ONLY issue that ALL Moroccans agree upon. And it is manna from heaven for our corrupt regime, and the Algerian ruling junta's ace in the hole. That damn Sahara thing. Again! Okay let's put the Sahara on the table ! The damn Algerians are so ruthless that they will keep arming the separatists , bla, bla, bla...the Moroccan opportunist elite shall milk it until the next CONstitution is dusted up, and rendered ignorance-proof. AGAIN! How long can they milk a non-issue like OUR Sahara? What? Every time a Moroccan reaches for some air, The impenetrable inner circle dispatches some idiotic reminder of "we-are-all-in-it-together"! The SAHARA IS OURS! SADLY,THE ROYAL PALACE BELONGS TO THE ELITE! Even while we are paying for a dozen palaces! ARE WE CLEAR? Talk about a disconnect! What bring us together can also tear us apart! The Royal Palace belongs to the select few! And they are as corrupt as the Algerian Junta! Bunch of blood-sucking vampires, King-enabled, mind you! Let's not mince words here! And I shall not : Moroccans love their KING, Their king couldn't care less about them ! In fact, I strongly believe that the Moroccans, Thirty millions plus strong , mean zero for Mohammed the sixth! Anyone knows anything about Mohammed the first? The second? How about Hassan the first? And there is no way anyone can retro-write history! Everything is on the table at this point! (Mr Chtaini, now you know why I get thoroughly searched at the airport):O: There I said it.

07/22/11

mbt said:

Eunuchs Morcelli Morocco wants to become part of the European Union!! Why is Morocco not in the AU, the only country in Africa, is it because the rest of the AU is black and Morocco is not? As to the GCC, Morocco will have to go the Sharia way. But truly speaking GCC countries are eunuchs. Do you really want to be in that club?

07/22/11

Observer said:

For the Algerian ... In the world of political economics, all is for sale. The Germans have demonstrated that even their mothers are for sale at the price of 2 billions worth of military sales. Now as the thugs and butchers ruling your country continue to buy support for its unholy war against Morocco at the expense of the impoverished Algerians, consider the following: Moroccans don’t distinguish between Polisario (i.e., military deception or decoy) and the Algeria’s actually war against Morocco. Moroccans know fully well who their enemy is. With that in mind, I suggest you dream only of the day when there is finally a lasting peace between our two peoples. DREAM NOT of the day when Moroccans (with failing patience) can take it no longer and be driven into seeking revenge. Think about it.

07/22/11

Morcelli said:

... "They will never start a war with Morocco, simply because they know that the consequences would be catastrophic." Dear Friend, never say never, we were at war from 1975-1991, Algeria financed and host polisario, held Moroccan pows for 25 years, diplomatically destroyed All Moroccan attempts tot solve the conflict, the only thing that saved Morocco are the Algerian islamists when they were winning in the polls, it had led the generals to turn their attention to kill their own people, Hassan II was also very lucky because he was fighting a war that Morocco could not afford, luckily the Cold war was a blessing for Morocco who relied on the generosity of the US, France, and Saudi Arabia to repel the polisario. If the Algerian Generals were ready to 150,000 of their own, I don't see how they would hesitate to inflict the same on their archenemy. Those guys are from another era and they have been reigning in the background for decades and decades. They don't see things the way the new world sees it.

07/22/11

Algerian said:

... Any resources to back your claim??? Or is it more of the same, she said, he said and my cousin heard. Algeria is an independent and a sovereign nation and if we want to spend all our resources on arms, its our problem not yours. as they say in French"de quoi je me mêlé". POLISARIO was able to defeat your army with antique RuSSIAN arms, and they do not need Boat to defeat you....again. How many POW were captured by the Polisario??

07/22/11

man en blanc said:

Feed the people first! it's only saber rattling, Algeria is more preoccupied with the spillover effect from the revolutions to its east than the stalemate in the Sahara. The Algerian junta ideology might seem frozen in time, ($10 billion will buy lot of bread for the starving Algerians) but the general are not crazy. They will never start a war with Morocco, simply because they know that the consequences would be catastrophic.

07/22/11

Mister1979 said:

... The solution is DEMOCRACY. Indonesia, Spain etc had also seperation groups who wanted to become independent, but when this countries become democracies they groups gave up the battle. The ETA has totally no more support in Baskenland, because Baskenland is a democracy with their own democratic parties. Morocco needs to do the same. Give the Saharawis the change to create their own democratic parties who represent the people. No PAM. PJD or Istiqlal etc. That is the best way to fight Polisario. And if Morocco becomes a real democracy the international community will support Morocco autonomy. The weakness of Algeria and Polisario is that they are not a democracy and don't represent their people. Morocco should use democracy to fight them..

07/22/11

borsa said:

... Algerian mafia Generals clearly have not learnt the lessons of the past. Just a few months ago there were wide spread bread riots resulting in a number of deaths and hundreds injured and now we here they have spent $10 billion on military equipment with the intention of giving some of it to Polisario. Giving money to a decrepit bankrupt group of archaic Cold War clique of people like Mohamed Abdelaziz and his cronies is like investing money in a black hole.

07/22/11

Morcelli said:

... They buy, we buy, the only different is that we have no $$, but they have. Next time any of you think to criticize Saudi Arabia and EAU, think again, next time someone says we should not join the GCC, think again. Let us join the GCC and stipulate that any attack on Morocco is considered an attack on the entire GCC members. Morocco can use the GCC $$$ to its advantage to prevent Algeria from starting to think about evil doing.

07/21/11

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