They buy, we buy, the only different is that we have no $$, but they have.
Next time any of you think to criticize Saudi Arabia and EAU, think again, next time someone says we should not join the GCC, think again.

Let us join the GCC and stipulate that any attack on Morocco is considered an attack on the entire GCC members.
Morocco can use the GCC $$$ to its advantage to prevent Algeria from starting to think about evil doing.

yes indeed algeria should close all border with Morocco and stop making any trade with morocco and Morocco deal with Israel as normal and most of jews rule morocco very simple border will remain close its our country and we shoose what we do ?? right ? thats why Morocco cry all the time opne the border ?? no WAy border will remain close we have nothing to gain ifits opne at all ? moroccain poeple like to kiss the hand algeria no way

it's only saber rattling, Algeria is more preoccupied with the spillover effect from the revolutions to its east than the stalemate in the Sahara.
The Algerian junta ideology might seem frozen in time, ($10 billion will buy lot of bread for the starving Algerians) but the general are not crazy. They will never start a war with Morocco, simply because they know that the consequences would be catastrophic.

"They will never start a war with Morocco, simply because they know that the consequences would be catastrophic."
Dear Friend, never say never, we were at war from 1975-1991, Algeria financed and host polisario, held Moroccan pows for 25 years, diplomatically destroyed All Moroccan attempts tot solve the conflict, the only thing that saved Morocco are the Algerian islamists when they were winning in the polls, it had led the generals to turn their attention to kill their own people, Hassan II was also very lucky because he was fighting a war that Morocco could not afford, luckily the Cold war was a blessing for Morocco who relied on the generosity of the US, France, and Saudi Arabia to repel the polisario.
If the Algerian Generals were ready to 150,000 of their own, I don't see how they would hesitate to inflict the same on their archenemy.

Those guys are from another era and they have been reigning in the background for decades and decades. They don't see things the way the new world sees it.

Morcelli Morocco wants to become part of the European Union!! Why is Morocco not in the AU, the only country in Africa, is it because the rest of the AU is black and Morocco is not?

As to the GCC, Morocco will have to go the Sharia way. But truly speaking GCC countries are eunuchs. Do you really want to be in that club?

I rarely like to comment on Moroccan/Algeri an issues… But this time, I felt like sharing my take on this unnecessary and everlasting conundrum:

I once read this Old Russian tale about two poor peasants: Let’s call them Ivan and Boris. The only difference between them was that Boris had a goat and Ivan didn't. One day, Ivan came upon an old lamp and when he rubbed it, a genie appeared and told him that she could grant him anything in the world -- but it had to be only ONE wish!

Ivan’s wish was: "I want Boris' goat to die."

There are many variations of this fable throughout the world… But they all teach us few things about all human beings, not just Russians.

How is this story related to Morocco and Algeria you might ask? Well -- I tell you…
All of the posts and comments I read about these two neighboring countries show that Moroccans and Algerians are just like Ivan – The only thing they want is for Boris' goat to die. Their logic is simple (and flawed): they both despise and blame one another for their own miseries --forgetting that at the end of the day – they both are nothing more than two poor peasants!

I don’t want Algeria’s “goat” to die… Let’s find her a male Moroccan goat and let’s have a herd we can all enjoy!!! (My Algerian friends – sorry you had to be the female goat… I did that out of love for you :-))

Chtaini said

@Algerian


Algerian:

First of all, I am not here to insult Algeria or Algerians, I am here also to lay the facts and expose the lies found in your comment. I appreciate your statement about my loss, but your facts are wrong also. Allow me to clarify for you some historical facts about this whole situation. Maybe at the end we will both come to an agreement in spite of our blind pride.

When Morocco’s eastern area which is present day Algeria was conquered by the Turks, Morocco stopped the Turks on its actual eastern border. The Tribes in the Sahara were all tribes which have pledged allegiance to Morocco from the time of the Almoravids who came from these tribes, followed by the Almohads, the Merinids, the Saadins and Present day Alawite Dynasty who came from the Sahara tribes. When the French colonized Algeria in 1830, they incorporated as much of the Moroccan Sahara as they could because the French considered Algeria as their own and give it the status of a French Department. The grabbing continued during the presence of the French colon in Algeria. The French colon duped the Algerians by making them believe that they were going to make them “French citizens”. The sad part is that they made out of our Algerian Brothers and Sisters who believed them then what Franz Fanon called “The Wretched of the Earth” “ Les damnes de la Terre” because the Algerian people by French colonial design did not know anymore whether they were Algerians or French. I recall when I was young in the early fifties for dehumanizing reasons a fight breaks out between the colonized: a Moroccan and an Algerian and the French policeman who was naturally a Corsican arrests both and takes them to the Commissariat Central and we as kids then were following them. The Algerian always comes out the Commissariat Central and stands at the stairs, gets his pack of “Favorite” cigarettes and lights his cigarette and looks at all of us and with disdain and declares “Je suis demi Francais” “I am Half French” and walks away freely while the Moroccan is incarcerated. We look at each other and say the “Wasti” who thinks he is demi francais is a nobody a “deracine”. Tindouf was always a part of Morocco and let us not be confused and the French colon knew that. The Rguibat tribe can attest to that. To this demi francais indoctrination by the French colon of our Algerian Brothers and sisters, Franz Fanon suggested that the solution was the Algerian Revolution which will have to make the first become last and the last become first in occupied Algeria. The Algerian People gave their best and the Kingdom of Morocco and Tunisia helped in that Heroic Revolution. Many Moroccans picked up arms against the French occupation of Algeria and died for the Algerian cause. The Oujda group of which President Bouteflika is reminiscence and can attest to that just as would have Mr. Temam God Bless his soul and others.

Over the issue of Tindouf Morocco had an agreement with the FLN leadership that once Algeria becomes independent, the Tindouf region which was under the administrative control of Agadir during the French presence both in Morocco and Algeria would be returned to Morocco. When Algeria became independent, the FLN reneged on its promise. This gave birth to the “Sand War”, and I say this with humility, in spite of the Egyptian military assistance to the ALN as proven by the arrest in the warring zone of an Egyptian group of military officers and a helicopter including an Egyptian general whose name we do not need mention, His Majesty King Hassan II stopped the massacre of the defeated ALN and ordered “General Oufkir” to stop because Morocco’s goal was achieved. An agreement came out of this war which is to exploit jointly the minerals in the Tindouf regions. The Algeria leadership instead of honoring its part of the agreement created the Polisario issue to camouflage and put under the rug the Tindouf issue, Moroccans are not going to buy any of it. The massive purchase of arms by the Algerian generals is not going to change an iota of the Moroccan position: The Sahara and Tindouf are Moroccan. I am 100% convinced that if the Algerian generals start a war with Morocco on these two issues that the Algerian people will not support this war. On the other hand the Moroccans will have to fight if attacked and will win because they are fighting for what is theirs.

It has nothing to do with toughness of the Moroccan soldiers it has to do with sacrifice for the right cause. The FLN members who fought for the Independence of Algeria know what I mean by sacrifice. Algeria lost 1.500.000 half heroes in its war of independence. Millions of Moroccans will fight tooth and nails for what belongs to them. To show how Morocco is a peace seeker it wants the Sebta and Mililia conflict with Spain to be resolved diplomatically and it will. You should be more in tuned with realities of conflict resolution the word humiliation does no exist. When you are fighting to recuperate your land not all strategies succeed. The essential is you do not give up. In all respect do not shoot off your mouth with filth. If you were one of the Algerian Mujahidin’s you should have known that many battles against the French colon were disastrously humiliating, but the Mujahidins did not give up. So do not attempt to hurt under the excuse of being respectful if you want this dialog to continue in a civilized manner. Giving half of the Sahara to Mauretania in 1975 to resolve the conflict was a good peace seeking strategy. The opportunity was missed by Mauretania and the Moroccan people did not want to give an iota of their land since they saw the reaction of the Mauritanians so we kept our Sahara intact as an integral part of the Kingdom of Morocco.

I hope this enlightens you a bid about how I see the situation. Just a point of clarification, “General Oufkir” would have continued from the Tindouf front directly to Algiers nothing was in his way to stop him and you know how ruthless in war general Oufkir was. The King stopped him. Since you asked questions, I have some to ask. What does the Algerian leadership think is going to gain by pursuing this war path strategy and meddling in Morocco’s internal affairs? Does the Algerian leadership think that it is going to be that easy to scare Morocco by spending foolishly and lavishly the Algerian people’s money on arms? I wonder what the commission on $10 billion dollars of arms sale is? I also wonder in whose pockets it is going to go? I know for a fact that it is not going to go in your pocket because you struck me as being too honest of Algerian Brother whom I could have met and with whom I could have had a cup at Café Rich in Oran or at the Casino hotel in Algiers when I visited Algeria twice. But in all sincerity, I wish the Algerian leadership could see the light and stop interfering in Morocco’s internal affairs and come to the peace table without any conditions. There is so much to accomplish and time is of essence. In 2050 both populations in Morocco and Algeria will reach about 70 million people. That is 140 million people if both countries. What are both countries going to do? Algerian leadership has got to accommodate Morocco and I am sure that Morocco in return will accommodate Algeria. Morocco feels grieved by Algeria’s leadership behavior, it is for Algeria to make the first step to conciliation and stop its Scimitar Rattling and come to the negotiating table. The Algerian leadership should not feel Ashamed by doing the right thing because it takes wisdom and courage to do that. I am sure that Algeria and its present leadership will find in Morocco and in His Majesty King Mohammed VI a good partner for progress.

I know it is hard for Makhzeni's and those who are used to pushing the agenda of divine rule, but the reason that educated people no longer trust main stream propoganda machines like 2eme, CNN, Fox news, etc... is because of the honesty that can be found on sites like Moroccan Board. When people are allowed to speak freely without the fear of imprisonment, this is how free speech flows.

Your demand that people identify themselves by name, before being allowed to make posts is beyond psychotic. The whole idea of Free speech is that people be allowed to say whatever they like. As for the 10,000 people who read MB... I think they are smart enough to filter out Makhzeni boot lickers and identify truth when they see it.

I think the reason that you want people to identify themselves is so that you can intimidate people into silence. If the current Moroccan regime knew exactly who were writing posts that were against the monarchy, there would be many parlimentarians out of work tomorrow, sitting in underground torture dens, being subjected to enhanced interrogation. I forgot though, since you support the idea of some people having a, "divine right" to rule, abuse and steal from others, you probably support this.

You would think that your limited time in the US would have taught you that Freedom of speech is ABSOLUTE (unless explicitly prohibited by law) -

Incidentally, I am very offended that you choose to continue to push an agenda of hate towards our brothers and sisters in Algeria. Don't you understand that the divide and conquer tactics of the colonialists make it in our interests to work and trade with our brothers throughout the Arab and Muslim world. By constantly spreading hate against Algeria, Libya, Egypt, and any other country populated by Arab brothers, all you do is continue the downward cycle of self hate.

If you had any courage, you would be denigrating the Germans, but instead your anger seems to be directed exclusively at Algerians... Can't you see that the Germans, Americans and French view all Muslims as roaches and they depend on usefull id--ts like Chiatni to maintain their firm grasp of neo colonial control over the Arab world. The real solutions to the problems of the people of Morocco and Algeria lie in bringing these people together, in making them trade with one another and see that they are truly brothers and sisters who differ only in their accents.

The first rule of the Makhzeni is to intimidate. The first rule of the colonizer is to divide and conquer, so my first rule is to trade with your neigbor and never react out of fear.

Chtaini,

Why are you concentrating your energy on disciplining commentators of this site?
It really sounds like you've got a lot to say about many subjects. But right now, you are barking at the wrong tree again. Let us hear your opinions about the issues at hand. I care less what you think about other members or what on earth their alias is. With time, I can filter out a thinker from a sinker. A thinker benefits me with his/her ideas. A Sinker is a chaos starter. I will not read posts by the latter.

Briefly, enlighten the readers. I can tell you are able to add some value. Don't turn this into a personal endless quarrel. The readers (including myself) will just get bored and wont read what you write.

I challenge you with this. Each time there is an article you want to comment on, do it without reading any of the previous comments. I want to hear from a "Pure Chtaini". I want to hear from "Chtaini uncensured".
Once you post your first "Pure Commentary", then post other comments, if you wish, in which you enter in a debate with other members. But do not discipline them. Just debate the ideas and share your knowledge with us (the 10,000 readers you referred to)!!!

To Eunuchs,
Morocco is Black "roots and leaves" , why are you always in denial?