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Algeria May have Violated UN Resolution By Providing Weapons to Libya, US State Dept.

Washington  / Morocco Board News--- The United States is investigating reports that a ship carrying weapons for Libyan was allowed to dock in Algeria, which is a violation of U.N. resolutions, a US State Department official said on Friday. The US state Dept called and asked that Algeria stop the shipment from reaching Gaddafi's forces.

The Libyan opposition forces, however, declared that the ship, with a libyan flag, arrived in the port Djen Djen in Algeria, on July 19th, where the military cargo was immediately unloaded and transported over land across the border to Libya's Gaddafi forces.

"We have heard reports that a ship carrying arms to Gaddafi's regime was recently permitted to dock in Algeria and that these weapons are currently being transported overland into neighboring Libya," the State Department official told the press.
"The United States government is working to ascertain the veracity of these claims, which have only just come to light. If true, this would likely constitute a violation of U.N. Security Council Resolutions 1970 and 1973."

"The government of Algeria has told us on numerous occasions, and has stated publicly, that it has strictly adhered to all (U.N. Security Council resolutions) regarding the Libyan conflict," the State Department official said.

The libyan rebels have issued, in the past months, several reports that shows Algeria's active support of Gaddafi's forces, including military air transport flights to Libyan Government held military bases, Algeria mercenaries captured in Ajdabia by Libyan rebels, reports for Algeria's facilitation of transport and transit of Western sahara and Subsaharan mercenaries to Libya, the head of Algeria's governing party declaring in Tripoli that Algeria supports Gaddafi and opposes NATO intervention, the Libyan embassy in Tripoli arranging for purchase and export of over 500 truck to Libya, and the capture of  libyan government military trucks that were traced to Algeria's arsenal by The French Defense Ministry.

 

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Quoriana
0 #1 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Algeria May have Violated UN Resolution By Providing Weapons to Libya, US State Dept.Quoriana 2011-07-22 22:21
What a joke; children can see NATO is the one violating Resolution 1970 and 1973 by arming Al Qaeda terrorists a.k.a. Libyan rebels under false flag "humanitarian add". France even admits it and the countries which don't openly admit smuggle all kinds of weapons via Qatar.
Meanwhile, good on Algeria for standing with Libya and Africa!! May they stand strong till the last terrorist is defeated.
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Moroccan Patriot
0 #2 If true, it means Algeria has more integrity than MoroccoMoroccan Patriot 2011-07-22 22:21
If it turns out to be true that Algeria is helping the Libyans to defend themselves from the colonialist attacks by Apartheid Israel and other western colonial powers then it would mean that Algeria has more integrity and honor than any other North African country.

Unfortunately, I don't think it is true. I think that this is more propoganda from the Moroccan government. I saw a large military deployment being sent to the east of the country in Oujda yesterday. There were dozens of tanks being sent there.

The sad fact is that it is NOT Algeria that is getting involved in the colonization of Libya, it is Morocco that has been enlisted as a puppet of Israel and it is Moroccan soldiers who are being sent to Libya to attack, murder and rape innocent Libyan civilians. This is what is truly alarming... since Morocco does not have a government that is accountable to its people for these kinds of actions, Moroccans continue to be completely ignorant of how Morocco gave a multi million dollar necklace to Livni (Israeli Terrorist serving as head minister in Israeli government) during her brief clandestine visit to Morocco, nor are they aware of how Moroccans routinely do the bidding of Apartheid Israel.

How utterly humiliating that Morocco has decided to take the side of the Colonizers and Apartheid Israel.
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ibrahim ahmed
0 #3 Thanks Generals for killing Libyansibrahim ahmed 2011-07-22 22:41
We the Libyan people will remember who helped Gaddafi in massacring us. Only if our fathers and grandfathers know what the Algerian generals did to us in return for them helping the Algerians against the French. What Gaddafi is doing to his people is much worse than what the French did in Algeria.
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borsa
0 #4 Algeria your cover is blown wide openborsa 2011-07-22 22:49
I have suspected the Algerian Mafia regime has been actively helping the lunatic murderous Gaddafi and this is just another piece of evidence which points to this fact.

@Moroccan Patriot - Your cover has also been blown wide open, you clearly are an Algerian pretending to be a Moroccan. How can you support Gaddafi the very same man who used his own air force and heavy artillery on his own people. Your blind support for this murderous thug isn't surprising since you belong to a regime which instigated a decade long murderous campaign against their own citizens which resulted in over 200 thousand deaths. No one on this board will take you seriously as your post is full of inaccuracies and the usual Algerian propaganda it's hilarious :D

@Quoriana - Firstly thanks for acknowledging that Algeria is actively helping Gaddafi since your comrade "Moroccan Patriot" seems to be sticking to the official Algerian party line.
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Moroccan Patriot
0 #5 Quoariana is right!Moroccan Patriot 2011-07-22 23:05
It is the "rebels" - aka traitors who should be ashamed of themselves. They are the ones who have betrayed their own country to serve as puppets for Apartheid Israel and the colonial powers.

If you are not happy with the status quo, you should peacefully demonstrate, not murder soldiers in cold blood and destroy private property. It is clear to the world that what is going on in Syria and Libya is NOT a popular uprising, it is the evil hand of Apartheid Israel and other colonial powers looking to get rid of leadership that in any way represents the best interests of its citizens.

Talk to people who actually live in the border towns of Tunisia/Libya, Algeria/Libya and Egypt/Libya - they will all complain about only one group of terrorists - NATO and the "rebels - aka terrorists/merc enaries hired by apartheid Israel and colonial powers".

I am not a big fan of gaddaffi, but he has shown more courage, and more intestinal fortitude than any other Arab leader. He at least has done great good for the infrastructure of his country, infrastructure the colonizers and traitors within, with the support of Moroccan and Egyptian soldiers are destroying.
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NeoMoor
0 #6 "Moroccan Patriot" needs to pack his bags and go one-way to Tripoli today!NeoMoor 2011-07-23 00:37
How can there be Moroccans on the Earth that favour Gaddafi, even when he, and the enemy Polisario have been hand-in-hand undermining Morocco since forever. He is the friend of our enemy: What does that make him to us? Your support of him is not patriotic, but irrational and worse! You do realise that Ghaddafi is simply mad, and has committed unspeakable horrors against his people. Or do you believe that Hollywood duped us?

I understand your anguish over foreign intervention; Libyans should have been left to tear down Gaddafi's regime on their own. Notwithstanding , Gaddafi can never be defended after his record. It is possible to be emphatically be against both Gaddafi and Uncle Sam.

Hopefully the Libyan rebels will realise that you can never trust foreigners to be anything but jealous and self-serving - that realisation is the summit of wisdom.
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Moro
0 #7 @Moroccan Patriot:Moro 2011-07-23 00:51
"Algeria has more integrity and honor than any other North African country."

250000 butchered algerian citizens disagree.

"I saw a large military deployment being sent to the east of the country in Oujda yesterday. There were dozens of tanks being sent there."

You saw nothing but your imagination.

"The sad fact is that it is NOT Algeria that is getting involved in the colonization of Libya"

Yup your right, Algeria is instead helping khaddafi by oppressing his people with murder,rape,torture.

"and it is Moroccan soldiers who are being sent to Libya to attack, murder and rape innocent Libyan civilians."

Spoken like a true patriotic Algerian ..that's some nice propaganda you have going on there,for your information not a single moroccan soldier has been sent to Libya to attack,murder or rape..

"Moroccans continue to be completely ignorant of how Morocco gave a multi million dollar necklace to Livni""

more propaganda that was put out by your zionistic blood brothers & debunked.
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PoshBirdGabi
0 #8 False Flag!PoshBirdGabi 2011-07-23 01:08
Watch out, Algeria. We've seen this pattern many times before. First is the propaganda, then comes the bombs. This is yet another USA/western false flag. Algeria be prepared for a US/NATO invasion.
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ibrahim ahmed
0 #9 Morooccan Patroitibrahim ahmed 2011-07-23 05:12
Moroccan Patriot, you are a good propaganda voice for Gaddafi. Go to Tripoli, you would make a good addition to Gaddafi’s TV propaganda team it includes Yousef Shaheen, Hamza and Hala Almusrati. Gaddafi will love you and the Libyan people will hate you. But you will be Ok the pay is good.
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Moroccan Patriot
0 #10 I am not a supporter of Ghaddafi - but ....Moroccan Patriot 2011-07-23 15:38
I do not support the use of Moroccan and Egyptian soldiers and military equipment to assist Apartheid Israel and the colonial powers in their theft of Billion of dollars, Billions in oil and the utter destruction (again valued at Billions) of Libya's infrastructure. This has nothing to do with Gaddafi, who in many ways is mad with power. This has to do with Apartheid Israel and their lackeys in Morocco, Egypt and Qatar sending Muslim men to murder other Muslim men on the behest of the last remaining Apartheid state in the world, Apartheid Israel.

As for what I saw with my own eyes... I was driving on the national road towards Fez coming from Oujda and I saw, for the first time in my life, might I add, a large convoy of Tanks carried on Flat bed trucks, being led by a police man on motorbike instructing everyone to pull over as the convoy passed. I later discovered that they were being shipped by boat to help the Mercenaries, Mossad and CIA terrorists on the ground who are, as we speak, murdering innocent muslim women and children.

This is not about supporting the leadership of Libya. I am NOT a supporter of the Leadership of Libya, and this is CLEARLY not about supporting the Algerian Leadership as they are even more corrupt, nepotistic and barbaric than the current Moroccan Leadership, and I know that seems impossible! This is about holding Leadership accountable for bad decisions.

The Leadership skills exhibited by the current leaders of the Arab world are beyond pathetic. How do you explain Livni, a Ministry head for the Apartheid State of Israel disclosing that she got a very expensive piece of jewelry as a gift while on a visit in Morocco? Is Livni going to just create this jewelry out of thin air? Is she going to claim to have received a gift she did not? Is she trying to hurt Morocco's reputation? Or is she simply complying with laws that require all Government employees to disclose ALL valuable gifts that they receive? Morocco has a history of bending over backwards to serve Israel. This is a documented fact. You need only do a little research on the previous Moroccan regime to know just how much direction it received from the Zionist state.

The thought of Moroccan and Egyptian soldiers shooting civilians in Libya and calling them, "loyalists" while NATO drops bombs on peoples homes claiming to do so in defence of civilians....we ll it makes me sick to my stomach.

Unity is the key to success. Trade is the key to success. Economics and partnerships based upon mutual defence and understanding are what the Arab/Muslim world need. So long as you have weak leaders in the Arab world who do not allow thei people to trade with one another, the Arab world will remain oppressed. It is very sad that Oranges grown in Morocco are sold by French companies to Algerian vendors, while Algerian Petrol is sold by French companies to Moroccan Vendors.... this is known as neo colonialism. Until The Arab world gets leaders that care more about their people than being in power, Arabs will continue to be downtrodden. Remember that during the illegal invasion of Iraq, while millions of Moroccans demonstrated against the war, the Moroccan regime was all too happy to set up their own false flag attacks in Casablanca and allow themselves to be counted among the coalition of the willing. In so doing, Morocco allowed itself to be a laughing stock in Thousands of American movie theatres when it became public knowledge that 5000 Monkeys were trained in Morocco to detect land mines and sent to Iraq.

I will not even get into how the Moroccan regime was a paid voluntary participant in the CIA's extraordinary rendition program. Leadership must be held accountable. Before any of you get carried away... I am NOT suggesting an armed struggle. I am talking about PEACEFULL demonstrations that incorporate economic boycotts as their main weapon. The best way to bring down the corrupt leadership is by hitting them in their pocket books, boycotts work!

It is time to be good, proud, patriotic Moroccans. To be a true patriot means that you speak the truth, with the ultimate goal of affecting positive change. How much longer will Moroccans and the rest of the Arab world allow corrupt regimes to act with impunity. The Leadership of the Arab world needs to remember that with great power, comes great responsibility.

Morocco has some AMAZING leaders in Industry. Unfortunately, these leaders do not deign to touch politics with a 10 foot pole, and in the current climate of fear gripping much of the Arab world, who can blame them. Evil triumphs when good men do nothing. We have only to look at the recent attack in Norway... where a staunch supporter of Apartheid Israel, a very vocal Islamaphobe murdered 90 of his countrymen because they wanted the prime minister to recognize the state of Palestine.

Do your own research. You will discover everything I said is true.
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chtaini
0 #11 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Algeria May have Violated UN Resolution By Providing Weapons to Libya, US State Dept.chtaini 2011-07-24 03:12
Chtaini said

@False and Phony

As long as you do not have the pride to reveal your name and continue on using a pseudonym, I will call “False and Phony.”

Well you got all the answers to all the problems but they are manufactured by you. Where you get your information from puzzles me? You must be “Darth Vader” in disguise. You must have all the telephones tapped and information is made at your disposal by all the spy agencies in the world. In spite of your imaginative control of sensitive information, you still miss the boat. Morocco has hundreds of thousand of Moroccan Jews in Israel. Many of them still express their affection for the Kingdom of Morocco and its Monarchs because the grand father of the actual King of Morocco, His Majesty King Mohammed V refused to allow the Vichy government to transfer His subjects of the Jewish faith to the Nazi concentration camps in Europe. Many of the Moroccan Jews travel from all over the world to revisit Morocco annually for religious pilgrimage as well as renewal with their own country of origin.

I do not know a single Moroccan His Majesty included who does not want a just peace between the Israeli and the Palestinian. The Palestinian people and their leadership are very grateful to the father of His Majesty Mohammed VI, His majesty King Hassan II who legitimized the PLO as the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people with Yasser Arafat as its leader. This happened in an Arab summit conference held in October 1974, in Rabat. Both the late King Hassan II and the actual King of Morocco have left no stone unturned for their search for peace between the Israeli and the Palestinians. Both the Israeli and the Palestinians know that and are grateful for the efforts. If peace between the two parties is forthcoming it is the Palestinians and the Israelis who are going to make happen no matter what you say and allege.

You have tendency to discover many things, how is that possible? Accusing Morocco the way you do is very problematic. The difficulties Libya is going through were predictable because of the gains from the Libyan resources were all kept in Tripoli and Benghazi got none. I remember the Biafra war in Nigeria where the Ibo tribe wanted to secede from the rest of Federal Nigeria because of oil discovery in Biafra. This secession was stopped but it took a war and over 2 million Nigerians died in a horrific war.

The Libyan problem has to be resolved by the Libyans. Although it is very clear that Tripoli would have wished that there was no Benghazi. The people in Benghazi want a piece of the pie and if the only way they can get is to use armed uprising against Tripoli and get the whole pie for all the Libyan people, then they did.

As to your unfounded statement: “Morocco has a history of bending over backwards to serve Israel. This is a documented fact. You need only do a little research on the previous Moroccan regime to know just how much direction it received from the Zionist state.” How can you in your right mind make such hideous statement? Has it not been for the input in the peace process of His Late Majesty King Hassan II, the land for peace within the 1967 borders and Jerusalem as the capital of Palestine formula would have never seen the light? So enough of your lies supported by some: “documented facts” and “if you do a little research” unfounded justifications.

I had a chance to know some Palestinian leaders and you cannot be concerned about the Palestinian needs for independence and a homeland more than themselves and they would emphatically disagree with you and consider what you say as misinformation if not “heresy”.





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Moroccan Patriot
0 #12 Chtaini, can I just call youMoroccan Patriot 2011-07-24 10:05
mistaken and clearly rattled?

I had some respect for you previously, but I am dangerously close to losing that respect because it seems to me that you are engaging in character assassination. I would be a fool to reveal my identity. As I said earlier, Morocco is NOT a democracy. In Morocco, there is NO Freedom of Expression, nor is there freedom of speech. Were I to reveal my identity, I would probably have to either leave Morocco or end up being tortured underground near Temara or in Kenitra, in one of the torture dens set up by the people you seem to have so much respect for... torture cells that were used back in the day of your Hero, Hassan II, when he tortured thousands of people during the years of lead. These same cells were more recently used to torture thousands of other innocents dragged off the battlefield and subjected to what is known as extraordinary rendition.

Let me be very clear, and lets address the facts:

Are you saying that Moroccan DST did NOT torture people for the US and Britian?
Are you saying that Morocco did NOT give Livni a very expensive necklace during her visit to Morocco?
Are you saying that King Hassan did not accept a bribe for each Moroccan Jew that he allowed to emigrate to Apartheid Israel?
Are you saying that 5000 Moroccan trained monkeys were NOT sent to help the US in their illegal invasion of Iraq?
Are you saying that the Invasion of Iraq was indeed justified because there were WMDs in Iraq?
Are you saying thousands of Moroccans did not serve as translators and "special interrogators" working along side the occupation forces in Iraq, assisting in enhanced interrogation techniques (AKA Torture) of their fellow muslims for a measly $85,000 a year tax Free? How sad that these Moroccans sold their souls and integrity so cheaply -they can be found trying to purge those memories in the bars that litter Morocco.

Are you saying that Moroccan interrogators did not rape and sodomize prisoners sent to them by the US and other Colonial powers?


When small minds come up against Big ideas they resort to character assassination. You need to address the facts. You need to address the issues, not the anonymity of the person making the statements. You can call me Mr. Smith if you like, or you can just call me what I truly am, a real Patriot. A patriot is someone who believes in ideals and is willing to speak the truth, no matter how ugly, because his love for the ideal is so strong. I expect more of our government in Morocco, and I expect more of my fellow Moroccan nationals; in general, I just tend to expect more.

It seems to me that you have a lot of loyalty for Apartheid Israel. Your words clearly betray your true loyalty. The lasting peace that you allude to is a lie. NutandYahoo clearly stated that there will be no return to the 1967 borders. Consequently, he is violating the resolutions of the same United Nations that created the pariah state of Israel back in 1948 in the first place.

Are you saying Israel is NOT an apartheid State?

Are you justifying the barbaric fashion with which Palestinians are treated by Israeli storm troopers?

You asked about My sources, and called me Darth Vader. You do not strike me as a real star wars fan; If you were, you would know that Dick Chenney is Darth Vader and the Israeli Prime minister is the evil emperor that turned Luke Skywalkers father to the dark side. Apartheid Israel is a stain upon the planet that should be handled with extreme prejudice. I assure you that I have not divulged any classified information in anything I said.

The extraordinary rendition of Benhimyan and several others in Morocco is a matter of public record to the great chagrin of Moroccan authorities who would very much have liked to keep it hush, hush, the same now goes for the very expensive gift given to Livni by, I am sad to say, someone I used to have great respect for.

Getting back to Libya, Khaddafi, with all of his imperfections did 10 times more for his people than Hassan II ever did. As a direct result of his rule, Libya developed the most advanced social welfare programs in Africa. Libyans get more money from the central government for education, subsidized oil, food, housing and education than ANY other African nation on a per capita basis. Could he have done more? Of course! Was there money wasted? Of course. Am I a fan of Khaddafi? Absolutely not. But let us give credit where credit is due. What are the rebels, (AKA mercenaries/CIA & Mossad Assets) doing to Libya?

If you really care about Morocco and the Arab world, you would focus on solutions. The solutions seem rather clear: Muslims need to effectively wield their economic might and bring Apartheid Israel to its knees and the collaborators within Morocco and other, "muslim" nations that betray their own people to serve the Zionist cause.

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Brahimi
0 #13 Keep your eyes on th ball man!!Brahimi 2011-07-24 11:15
@ Chtaini,
Why are you so concerned with the identity of the commentators? Why do you care if Mickey Mouse or Bart Simpson is making the statements? I suggest you stick to the intellectual merits or lack thereof that these statements carry between their folds.
One more thing, I emphatically disagree with you on advancing that a non Palestinian can't possible be as concerned or even more of an advocate about Palestinian and their right to their land. You seem to have fallen easy prey to the Zionist plan fragmenting Palestine from the conscious of an Arab/ Muslim by presenting it as a Palestinian matter that should occupy no space in this group's stressed psyche
@ Moroccan Patriot,
I happen to belong to a school of political thought that believe in losing any claim to sovereignty when one starts obliterating his own people. I am also pretty dubious about the US intervention and the reason it is taking this long to put an end to the blood shed. The Libyans that I speak with tell me that the foreign forces, mainly US and France, are negotiating with both the Gaddafi regime and the liberation forces to see who is willing to bid higher booty once the conflict is brought to an end. So, there are no soft skinned porcupines here as the old Moroccan adage goes.
I am really enjoying this great exchange
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chtaini
0 #14 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Algeria May have Violated UN Resolution By Providing Weapons to Libya, US State Dept.chtaini 2011-07-24 11:31
Chtaini said

Come on, debater, you do not believe that these same Moroccans you are accusing of all these misdeeds and mischief cannot find out who you are through the advanced information technology in spite of your using a pseudonym. If there was no freedom of speech, you would have been picked up and tried for sedition. But because of the democratic nature of the Kingdom of Morocco under His majesty Mohammed VI, you are free to say what you want with or without a pseudonym. My advice to you is to be careful not to cross the line. You already feel guilt by saying what you are saying about our beloved country and trying to justify it by the fact that you are using a pseudonym to say it. You are taken your luck too far and you’re tempting these same people to would want to shut you up. Remember we still have people in Morocco who would consider all your Bla Bla Bla as sedition and would have liked to pick you up. Fortunately for you Morocco is a Democracy and His majesty King Mohammed VI is a Democratic Monarch.

I have debated you on this Board and I still cannot figure out what to make of what you say and the things that you say. In your argumentation stated as such you attempt to blame it all on: “you can just call me what I truly am, a real Patriot. A patriot is someone who believes in ideals and is willing to speak the truth, no matter how ugly, because his love for the ideal is so strong. I expect more of our government in Morocco, and I expect more of my fellow Moroccan nationals; in general, I just tend to expect more.” I feel that you must live in La La Land. Nobody cares how you define yourself. What you should care about and realize is that you are allowed to express yourself the way you do not because you use a pseudonym this cover could be easily blown by internet technology today, but because freedom of speech is live in kicking in Morocco. This allows you to say all the nonsense you are saying.

I dismiss as hog wash all of your seditious statement below and past and present ones because you are attempting to inflict upon yourself harm without realizing it because as you claim you are an idealist and expect more and you think you are covered by your use of a pseudonym. It is sad to see a grown man going through all these personality problems inflicting imaginary fear upon himself for what he is saying and all the trash he is saying about the Kingdom of Morocco and Moroccans and yet freedom of speech protects him in Morocco. It is incomprehensibl e to see as to why you put yourself in this situation. You must be going through the “hero masochist” syndrome. I wish you good luck in dealing with your personal turmoil. You must be an anarchist who is trying to show off.
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haras
0 #15 harasbis@yahoo.comharas 2011-07-24 12:12
to Moroccan Patriot,

The article is about Algerian involvement in helping the Gaddafi regime, with weapons, and that is no honorable thing to do....

The communique was made by the US State department, and that means that there was no Moroccan involvement or fabrication, yet, you try to bring us into it...

The are no Moroccan soldiers in Libya, if there were it would be just a fair and justifiable payback, for you know what...

You try to link Morocco to Israel, yet no Moroccan official has ever said in a televised or non televised speech that the stability of Morocco is essential for the stability of Israel, like your buddy Gaddafi did...

You blame Morocco for torture, unfortunately, in Algeria and Libya, they generally don't leave witnesses, apart for those who survive their butchered villages to write "qui a tue a bentalha".

I guess that unlike the hundreds that were kidnapped or killed in Morocco, during the Hassan II era, the 250000 butchered in Algeria deserved it.

You claim that Algerians are more brave than Moroccans, well here is the letter by their national symbol, Abdel Kader Al Jazairi, to the French King, a real joy to read:
http://www.culture.gouv.fr/Wave/image/archim/0008/dafanch06_n103054n00001_2.jpg

You report on Moroccan military tanks moving to the east, maybe the auxiliary force agent killed in a clash in Oujda with terrorists coming from Algeria (where else) is an explanation, obviously you don't live in the area... and by the way, military convoys in Morocco are accompanied by Gendarmery agents, and every Moroccan knows that....

You claim that Algerians have more integrity, I agree, I was just on the phone with Abbane, Kriem, El Khider, and Boudiaf, and they all swore on their lives to the truth of that. I hope you'll appreciate the humor.

Next time don't flood MB with your "facts", because we have others, succinct yet painful...
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Moro
0 #16 @Moroccan Patriot:Moro 2011-07-24 19:16
"Are you saying that Moroccan DST did NOT torture people for the US and Britian?"

My uncle who was a high ranking general in the royal armed forces got thrown out of a 9 story building in the 70s by the moroccan authorities,"of ficial" investigation of his death revealed that he "tripped" and fell from the balcony,"unoffi ciall" witnesses revealed to my family that he got thrown out the balcony,why did all of this happen?
For taking part in a failed military coup that was plotted by high ranking officials who where "inspired" by the succesfull Iranian revolution.
Moroccan DST does what it has to do to keep our country safe and secure, they have my and my families blessing to do whatever it takes to get the job done.

"Are you saying that Morocco did NOT give Livni a very expensive necklace during her visit to Morocco?"

No..Lalla Salma didn't gave any necklace to Livni,it was a rumor that was put out by the enemies of morocco to try and discredit the royal family,ridiculo us rumor and simply NOT true.

"Are you saying that King Hassan did not accept a bribe for each Moroccan Jew that he allowed to emigrate to Apartheid Israel?"

Nope he did not accept a bribe..other people did,false zionist rumours.

"Are you saying that 5000 Moroccan trained monkeys were NOT sent to help the US in their illegal invasion of Iraq?"

Sigh..hollywood zion,story was never proven to be true..still doesn't stop YOU from branding it as a FACT now does it?..ugh.

"Are you saying thousands of Moroccans did not serve as translators and "special interrogators" working along side the occupation forces in Iraq, assisting in enhanced interrogation techniques (AKA Torture) of their fellow muslims for a measly $85,000 a year tax Free? How sad that these Moroccans sold their souls and integrity so cheaply -they can be found trying to purge those memories in the bars that litter Morocco."

Two can play that game,you keep attacking morocco but in your previous posts you praise Algeria and Gaddafi..ha what a joke,both regimes are guilty of serious war crimes against it people.
Brave proud patriotic Algerian regime you like to praise so much is nothing more then a scam,good Algerian friends of mine who served in the army during the war against it people told me the truth about your friends.
False flag operations conducted by the algerian regime to make it look like the Islamists are on a killing rampage,regime hired non muslim mercenaries who dressed up as islamists so that the regime can justify it's bloody crackdown on the algerians,it's quite a shock when you try to clean the dead islamists ritually for islamic burial to find out during cleansing that they are not circumsised muslims but mercenaries...s ounds familiar doesn't it? Libya.
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Moroccan Patriot
0 #17 Haras - More Character Assassination.. .. very sad....Moroccan Patriot 2011-07-24 20:31
Haras,

I think that careful reading of your post shows that English is clearly not your first language, so I will try to say this as simply as possible:

Address the facts. I already stated that I am not a big supporter of individuals, I do not kiss the hand of any man. I believe all men are created equal. I do not believe that some people have a divine right to rule and abuse others.

Lets get back to facts:

Did Livini get a very expensive necklase from someone in Morocco (you know who)?

Did Hassan II get payments for each Jew allowed to go to Apartheid Israel?

Did Morocco participate in the extraordinary rendition program, thus participating actively in "enhanced interogation" (aka Torture) of other muslims?

Did Moroccans torture foreign nationals in torture chambers under the Temara zoo?

Did the Moroccan regime not support the Bush regime in their illegal invasion and occupation of Iraq? Did they not supply logistical support and comically enough, 5000 Monkeys???

Did hundreds of Moroccans join the US military, murder innocent women and children in Iraq and help with torture of other muslims in order to gain US citizenship?

To those reading this, you will see that none of the Makhzeni boot lickers will address the real issues, but instead will attack the messenger of the facts... because it is they who are the real traitors to the Moroccan people. It is they who are enforcers of a status quo rife with corruption and nepotism.

Morocco deserves leadership with integrity who are not afraid to say the truth. Morocco deserves Leadership that is held accountable for bad decisions. Morocco deserves better.

Don't take my word for any of the above... do your own research. The truth speaks for itself.
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haras
0 #18 to "Moroccan patriot"haras 2011-07-25 01:05
You've been revealed, obviously you prefer to lick Bouteflika's and his Generals boots, the blood is more fresh on that side of the borders...

Since you like questions, here is one of mine:
Did Houari Boumediane order the bodies of Amirouche and El Houass to be kept in a military basement or not? was he part in their arrest by the French? an informant of some sort?
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Chtaini
0 #19 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Algeria May have Violated UN Resolution By Providing Weapons to Libya, US State Dept.Chtaini 2011-07-25 01:09
chtaini said

Chtaini said

@Brahimi

I am keeping my eyes on the ball. Could you kindly explain to the readers why you use your own name and not a pseudonym name without fear. I use mine because I am honest about what I say and believe and do not have to be paranoiac about it. Maybe what I say is not totally agreed to. But I say what I say and let the ships fall where they may just as you do. If others do not want to say their names and use pseudonyms, then please they should not come around and say that the use of pseudonym protects them. That is a fallacy. You are near MIT and Harvard kindly go an ask information technology specialist as to whether people using pseudonyms in the internet communication systems can or cannot be identified and they will tell you, yes they can be identified. If you read all my comments as they relate to the issue if comments bordering on sedition and the use pseudonyms, you would find out that I always advice the commentators as forceful of opponents as they can be to my views to not go beyond the crossing of the line because what they say maybe coming to hunt them one day. So, it is not because they use pseudonyms that they can act irresponsibly and advance all type of nonsense making allegations against the King, the Kingdom of Morocco, the Moroccan people, the Valliant Moroccan FAR and all those who disagree with them not only using pseudonyms but claiming that they have right to freedom of speech and they exercising that right. Which is it, the use of pseudonyms or freedom of speech or the luxury to use both? You wrote many articles in which you stated your views and signed them with your name. Would you agree with me that if you have used some of the statements made by other commentators which were horrible about the Kingdom of Morocco, the King and the Moroccan people that you would use a pseudonym rather than your name? Why do you sign your real name? I believe that you do that because you are within civil debate. Maybe you can enlighten me as to why you do not use a pseudonym? Perhaps the answer to my asking people to use their own names rather than pseudonyms will be found in your answer.

As to your allegation that there is some apparent conflict about who should support the Palestinian cause and who should not? I am 67 years old. I lived to see Morocco become independent, Algeria become independent, Mandela rid apartheid from South Africa and a Black man elected President of the United States of America. These are causes I always believed in. I would like to live with the help of God long enough to see a Palestinian State within the 1967 borders with Jerusalem as its Capital, peace between Algeria and Morocco and the Polisario integrating the mother land and becoming politically responsible within the Kingdom of Morocco as a solid and strong Constitutional Monarchy under the leadership of His majesty King Mohammed VI. I hope this answers your doubt about my commitment to freedom and peace

Have a nice day, Bro

As to "The Morocaan Patriot", no one is charaterr assassinating you! You are character assassinating yourself by what you say. Think about it my friend?
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Brahimi
0 #20 Close but no CigarBrahimi 2011-07-25 02:06
@ Chtaini,
Appeal to flattery is yet another logical fallacy that you tend to use a lot to get people to agree with you. Don't get me wrong, a compliment like "civil Debater" is something that would easily fall fro but Naaa..ah!!! I ain't biting this one.
I would however understand if you thought that signing with one's real name should be the applicable norm. Truth be told, you ONLY hold those who disagree with you to this made up rule; the other get a free pass. Let it also be known that I disagree with Moroccan Patriot on several points, but I could care less about his identity or whether he even exists.
Lastly, Moroccan Patriot can easily circumvent these Technology traps that you are talking about by using a public computer and thank God for this country there is a library in every corner.
P.S. Happy Ramadan!!!
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Moroccan Patriot
0 #21 Focus on where we agree Mr. ChiatniMoroccan Patriot 2011-07-25 02:58
"I lived to see Morocco become independent, Algeria become independent, Mandela rid apartheid from South Africa and a Black man elected President of the United States of America. These are causes I always believed in. I would like to live with the help of God long enough to see a Palestinian State within the 1967 borders with Jerusalem as its Capital, peace between Algeria and Morocco and the Polisario integrating the mother land and becoming politically responsible within the Kingdom of Morocco as a solid and strong Constitutional Monarchy" - This is where you and I agree Mr. Chiatni.

There are many ways of tracking people through their IP addresses. However, there are proxy servers that can be used, internet cafes, and of course a regular old coffee shop that has internet access. I am not hiding from anyone. I have broken no laws and have nothing to be ashamed about.

The scary thing is that you actually think it is ok to prosecute people for sedition based upon what they say! For example, in the US, you have people who recently suggested that California cecede.... from your perspective, these people should be put in prison, I assume...

Our Founding fathers warned us that when you surrender your liberty for security, you deserve neither.
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haras
0 #22 to Moroccan Patriotharas 2011-07-25 03:54
I like the "Our Founding fathers", should I understand that you are an American "de souche"?

Then, given your anger at Morocco for "participating in the extraordinary rendition program" and for supplying the "Monkeys???" you must be even more angry at your own people?...

More importantly, is it your belief that "murder innocent women and children" was the business as usual of US MILITARY in Iraq, you must feel ashamed...

Given your gracious , you must be disgusted by some countries like Rwanda and Algeria where hundreds of thousands are killed like bugs....
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Chtaini
0 #23 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Algeria May have Violated UN Resolution By Providing Weapons to Libya, US State Dept.Chtaini 2011-07-25 03:56
chtaini said

As to the “Moroccan Patriot”: Keeping telling your tale no one will put you in jail. No one is character assassinating you either because you are character assassinating yourself by what you say in the heat of madness because others disagree with you. It is either everyone should accept the nonsense you are advancing or you can freely accuse them of being “traitors” as you say. How “S….d” can you be? To your statement concerning my position about Algeria, I have a total respect for the Algerian people just as much as I have for the Moroccan people. I visited Algeria twice and I did not see any differences between the Algerian and Moroccan people. However, I cannot stand the position of the actual Algerian government which is a position of interference and meddling in Morocco’s internal affairs. When Morocco and Algeria decided to stop the “Sand War” over Tindouf, there was an agreement for joint exploitation of the minerals in the Tindouf Region. Morocco recuperates its Sahara from Spain. The majority of the Sahrawi who are Moroccans in the Moroccan Sahrawi Region whether in Dakhla, Layoune, Smara, Legouira and are autonomously governing themselves through the election of their own Sahrawi leaders to run their affairs in their own regions. A group of secessionists, misguided as they were, are still being pumped up by the Algerian government, established themselves in Tindouf and launched attacks against Morocco. The strategy of the Algerian government in supporting the Polisario secessionists is to get Morocco involved with the secessionists hoping to put under the rug the Tindouf issue itself. Where do you think the Secessionists were allowed by the Algerian government to be camped? Where else, but Tindouf proper. Every Moroccan knows that and they will not accept an iota of their land to be occupied by the Algerian government and their paid mercenary the “Polisario”. Mercenary Polisario because many of its forces which were killed in battles were not circumcised. Furthermore, The Polisario is doing the Algerian government job and is provided arms and pay by it against Morocco. Therefore the Polisario is a group of mercenary secessionists. All the Moroccan people including His Majesty Mohammed VI are in peace with the Algerian People, it is the Algerian government which does not want peace and is still meddling in Morocco’s internal affairs. Morocco is a peaceful country and is more concerned about its own development than to be rattling its war scimitar as the Algerian government is doing.

Your founding fathers as you called them debated and argued relentlessly trying to distinguish between what freedom of speech is and what sedition is and they could not draw a line. It is up to the plaintiff party to sue and for the defendant to defend and the court to decide. My advice to you is to be rational about anything you have to express because no matte what you say nothing is going to change not a thing because those who will agree with you are not many. Why? Because you are the only person I know who expect more from others and turn around and insults them if they do not live up to his expectations. Ths situation you put people in turns them off. Get hold of yourself and think about it my friend. Quit messing with my name?
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0 #24 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Algeria May have Violated UN Resolution By Providing Weapons to Libya, US State Dept.Chtaini 2011-07-25 05:02
Chtaini said

@Brahimi

I was hoping that you could see what I was trying to accomplish and that is that when people use their real name they are not irresponsible about what they say in their blog and comments. But I guess that your image of me is contrary to what I am. This I do not understand. You know me by now. When I say things I do not say them to flatter or gain approval of my position as others do in this board. I say it as I see it. My position has been: you are free to say anything you want to say but do not insult, defame or character assassinates and do be seditious. In other words be civil about what you say. I have not seen that lately. The other point which I was hoping that we could discuss, without feeling that you were being entrapped because this is the impression you give me, is the use of pseudonyms and freedom of speech. I happen to think that one suppresses the other. Example; If one uses a pseudonym there is no limit to what he wants to say so the fact that he uses a pseudonym he kills the right to freedom of speech. He is beyond freedom of speech because no one knows who he is. Freedom of speech gives one the right to exchange views in a market of ideas where the rule implicitly or explicitly is based on saying whatever one wants to say even offending provided that it does not turn into expressing insults and all the rest we hear from the users of pseudonyms. My main point on this whole issue of use of pseudonyms is that it is easy for one to use a pseudonym and use irresponsible statements which go from insult to sedition than the use of one's own name which makes them or he and she use responsible statements in their comments without being insulting or in the fringe of sedition.
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Observer
0 #25 Abhorrent statementsObserver 2011-07-25 09:15
@Moro et al.,

I cannot people in forum didn’t notice or capitalize on what “Moro” said:

My God man show some compassion, the guy you claim was thrown from the top of building (9-floor high) to his death for ALLEGEDLY trying to overthrow a corrupt and tyrant king was your UNCLE (i.e., a General!?).

Here is an image for you to seriously contemplate: the shattered and scattered pieces of your uncle’s brain, flesh and bones would have required special type of equipment (e.g., Bala) to separate or unfasten from the ground.

The human body does take well (stay whole) to being smacked against solid rock, concrete or zzaft at 160 KM/Hr, which is the minimum speed at which your uncle must have hit ground (feel free to double check my math).

Did NOT your uncle deserve a day in court?

Your uncle, the general, didn’t just die or got killed with a ballet to the head, his killers apparently had orders to express their artistic genius (something they are known for worldwide) – I can only imagine their head master yelling “a master piece” after looking at the pictures of the horrific aftermath.

Do you see the sheer hate, the evil?

Frankly, I am not sure if the Moroccan people should be afraid of DST or people of with your kinds of beliefs.

Remember this: without rule of law, the king’s DST will find other reasons to throw you and others of your genealogy from much taller buildings. The last I checked, twin center in Casa are the tallest in the country, that’s about a good 21 sec free fall before your embrace the ground!

I am sick to my stomach !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!
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0 #26 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Algeria May have Violated UN Resolution By Providing Weapons to Libya, US State Dept.chtaini 2011-07-25 11:37
Chtaini said

@Observer

Shame on you observer. Your graphic imaginary description of Moro’s uncle’s body falling from the 9th floor is unnecessary and uncalled for. Your viciousness is beyond any political disagreement or excuse. If you are a human being how can you ever explain what you just did in you comment? imagine someone doing this to you if a member of your family has undergone the same incident. Not only are you sick in your stomach you are sick in your head. If Moro shared what happened to a member of his family with the readers of MB, what gives the right to vilify and satirize this sad incident through your sickening graphic description without respecting or caring about the sensitivity of the dead man’s wife and family? This type of hate leads all of the readers to believe you must be sick in the head. i wish you could desapear from cpommenting inthis MB, if this is all you have to say. You owe a very immediate apology to Moro and the family of the deceased. I personally think that you are really a stupid heartless MF.
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haras
0 #27 Back on trackharas 2011-07-25 11:40
Moroccans don’t hold the best of memories of Hassan II, but let’s not be fooled with the simplistic “the enemy of my enemy”. The people who tried to overthrow Hassan II were generally his most hated generals (Oufkir and co.) or some crazy Marxist Leninists (ILA AL AMAM and associates), no need to check their popularity or their record, but you’re free to tell me about others I may have missed.

It is amusing how individuals claiming to be Moroccans, are trying to ease the pressure on the Algerian Regime. They do so by embroidering up scrappy tales from the 60s and 70s. What was going on in Algeria –they like so much to support– at the time? That was the Boumediane era, no need to add.

BACK TO OUR SUBJECT, IF it is true that Algeria is providing Kaddafi with weapons that would be a (another) NATIONAL SHAME …

For those who are arguing that by arming Kaddafi Algeria is standing up to NATO, should I remind you that Kaddafi is responsible, among other disgraces, for supporting the revolution in South Sudan, starting the Darfur crisis, firing up the Chadian civil war, jump starting the conflict in Sahara and many other conflicts in Africa and elsewhere… he is also responsible for bombing civilian planes and other terrorist activities.

The common aspect of all those conflicts is that they gave much more leverage to all western and non-western countries in their transactions with conflicted areas… or as some of our smooth thinkers in here might say: “advance the colonial and Apartheid Israel Agenda”. In fact, in that department, Kaddafi was a gem...

I can’t start talking about Kaddafi’s human rights record… 10 articles wouldn’t be enough, he dwarfed Chawsisko… YET our smooth talkers in here are siding with him…
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borsa
0 #28 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Algeria May have Violated UN Resolution By Providing Weapons to Libya, US State Dept.borsa 2011-07-25 17:42
Moroccan Patriot clearly thrives on the attention he generates through his baseless and quite frankly ridiculous allegations and conspiracy theories. The best recourse is to simply starve him of his oxygen i.e. ignore the Internet Troll.
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Morcelli
0 #29 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Algeria May have Violated UN Resolution By Providing Weapons to Libya, US State Dept.Morcelli 2011-07-25 23:04
For those of you who want Algeria to be found guilty, I have news for you, Algeria is innocent until proven guilty. Keep your hoped in check. The Generals are not as dumb as you perceive them to be. Using the polisario, they are ruining Morocco economically while they are saving their billions and their debts are paid off. That's genius my friend!
Moroccan authorities are now getting smart too, they have not reported any on these rumors on MAP, they do not want to give Algeria another excuse not to normalize our
relations with them.
If there was any meat to the story, MAP would have jumped on it.
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