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| Morocco: King's Advisor, Andre Azoulay, Proposal on Holocaust Generates Controversy |
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 02/25/2010 -- Washington - Morocco Board News Service -- At a conference on the Palestine-Israeli Conflict and the war in Iraq organized, last February 16th, by a Moroccan NGO called the National Task Force to support Iraq and Palestine, the keynote speaker and head of the NGO, Mr. Khalid Soufiani, who is known for his fiery anti-American speeches has called on Mr. Andre Azoulay, an influential Moroccan citizen of Jewish faith and a senior advisor to the king of Morocco to pack up and leave the country because Mr. Azoulay had previously suggested that the Holocaust should be included in the curriculum of Moroccan universities. Another ONG called “Democracy and Modernity” has reacted to the speech by Mr. Soufiani and issued a press release that was widely published in the Moroccan press in which it condemns, in the strongest terms, Mr. Khalid Soufiani’s speech. The NGO writes, "teaching the Holocaust at Moroccan University does not mean supporting Zionism, as claimed by Mr. Soufiani, but its goal is to introduce into the curriculum of Moroccan academic institutions a study about crimes against humanity, and crimes of war, including crimes committed by Israel, as a fundamental approach to protect future generations against similar acts." and adds " we are also asking to add in the curriculum courses on the history of the Moroccan Jewish community, as an integral part of the history of the Moroccan people." the NGO ended its press release by condeminig Israel's treatment of the Palestenians in Gaza and the West Bank.
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I think it's right I think people should know about it,I mean the students who do not,It's a pretty horrific thing,I remember reading and watching programs about it. In my view , it's not about the topic of them being israelis or jews,It's just that we are foremost human beings and as human beings, to kill so many people just because of racial differences is just madness. It's a historic topic, but I will also suggest them to look at other mass killings. History is bloody really, and this topic is not about Israel or Palestine or muslims or jews, it's more about how mad people can be when they think their race is superior to others,like Hitler used too. This is more about human nature and I really think jews and muslims should achieve peace someday , It's been thousands of years of fighting, and we got nothing except dead bodies here and there. Someday all religions shall achieve peace, Amen |
Toufik
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The holocaust If we want to include the holocaust as a topic of study in the curriculum of Moroccan academic institution, it will need to be presented as it is in an objective way. First, it must be introduced as a historical event that is also denied by many in the west. Second Moroccans must understand that if the holocaust took place it was a western crime committed by the "wonderful" west, and if it is a lie, it is a zionist lie. In both cases it has nothing to do with us. |
Rabati
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to Salmane the only sick mentally disturbed person here is you talking about panarabism you sound like a nazi if not worse. if Panarabism was a racist movement then the berber would be extinct by now just like when europeans conquered the American continent and slaughtered all the native indians living in it. you sound like a radical extremist with so much hate in you. i suggest you get yourself checked out by a therapist you can get help before it is too late. |
Salmane
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Fascism Those are panarabists baathists nationalists fascists racists. They hate diversity and dream about the Arab racist nation. If he wants he can go and fight against Zionism in Palestine or stop his hate speech against people. Azoulay has done lot for his country. What the Soufiani has done for Morocco... We should learn about all type of holocausts including the one that Israel has inflicted to the Palestinian people. |
Truth teller
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Taha is right Taha, the vast majority of people agree with you, but that is where the labeling comes in, if people are seen as being justified when they criticize Israel, then it is more difficult for the Zionists to get away with their crimes. |
Taha
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Soufiani fan well .. I'm a big fan of Soufiani and all those who commit themselves to defend the palestinian cause, concerning the holocaust, yeah it was a crime, a huge crime but Arabs and muslims had nothing to do with it, why do they have to pay for its consequences? the west, out of guilt, they stole the palestinian land and gave it to jews who established their own state. Now Israel is a fact, no one is denying that and I agree with two states solution but it's kinda hard to recognize the legitimacy of Israel, simply because they stole the land from the palestinians. I don't mind studying the holocaust in the university, but there were worse crimes and we should give them as much importance as the "holocaust". why don't they teach the Israeli crimes in Lebanon and Palestine in their universities? why don't they teach what the Serbs did to Muslims in Bosnia? why it's always about the jews? just because they think they are God's chosen people doesn't make me inferior simply because i don't believe in judaism the same way they don't believe in my religion, so being judged according to their standard is s****d, studying the holocaust just because they are jews and ignoring the other crimes is s****d and racist. I'm an Arab so I'm semitic myself, who gives a crap when an Arab is insumted? nobody when you question the holocaust of even the number of ppl killed in it then you're anti-semitic and you'll get jaimed for sure. Some zionists went further and claimed that anyone who criticizes Israel is an anti-semitic. I hate double standards and I hate Israeli crimes, if that makes me "anti-semitic" then I don't care, I judge myself according to my own standards |
D.H.J.
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Beyond manipulation... Remebring and learning about the Holocust is not just about Jews and Israel, it is about who we are as human beings, first and foremost, and as Moroccans. Is it really progressive to overlook that horrific event because it is manipulated by Israel? I believe we should not. There is no contradiction between upholding Palestinian rights and dignity and spekaing up against the extermination of Jews. I don't understand what is so difficult about this... In fact, the Holocaust presents another opportunity to speak up against the repression of Palestinians and to warn against the dangers of Islamophobia in Europe. If I support the Palestinians' right to a state and human rights while closing my eyes and ears to the Holocust, then I am really contradicting myself. Somone, please explain why this is so difficult to understand? |
Morcelli
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... Let's face it Moroccan can care less about any holocaust. They care more about whose going to bring food to the table 3 times a day if not more. Azoulay is advocating the teaching of the holocaust for 2 reasons, first because he is a Jew and he wants everyone to be aware of the past that the Jews have endured. secundo, he wants to place Morocco among the few Muslims countries that are not living in denial such as Iran where Ahmadinajed is telling the world that the holocaust is a myth or a propaganda tool. The jews/Israel were very successful to get each and every powerful country on their side, The Arabs were very successful in getting everyone to hate them thanks to their autocratic and corrupt leaders. Israel has used democracy and the Arabs used their authoritarian regimes, obviously democracy always win. Instead of us bickering about the holocaust, we should look in our own backyard and do some cleaning. By discussing the holocaust to fight each other, aren't we all falling in the trap. Isn't denying the holocaust a propaganda tool for the Jews to show the " civilized" world our backwardness and our hate for the Jewish people? If we stop worrying about the holocaust, the Jews will no longer use it. For as long as we are fighting each other about its existence, there is always an Israeli behind the scenes rubbing his/her hands and laughing. |
Moroccan Patriot
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This is not about teaching about the, "Holocaust". Think about the word, "holocaust". It sounds so final, so terrifying, and it seems to summarize an action that happened to only one set of people. In other words by making people associate, "Holocaust" with the suffering Jews MAY have endured during world war II takes away from recognizing the ,"HOLOCAUST" endured by the Iraqi people, the, "HOLOCAUST" endured by the Rwandans, Armenians, Chinese and even the Russians under Stalin. Why do the zionists get to claim the word, "Holocaust"? I think this is what Soufiane was trying to say. Today, we see a holocaust taking place in Palestine, we see a holocaust taking place in Afghanistan. Who gets to define this word? More importantly, why does Europe pass laws criminalizing the denial of the, "Jewish Holocaust"? If I say that the Easter bunny is my friend and I had lunch with bugs bunny yesterday, nobody would suggest that I should be arrested for stating these obvious lies. If I say that the US gained their independence in 1779 instead of 1776, nobody would think of arresting me, yet if you are walking down the street in munich and say out loud that you do not believe that 6 million jews died during the, "holocaust" you will be promptly arrested and spend more time in jail than someone who breaks another persons legs with a baseball bat. The truth, if it is the truth does not need to be enforced by legislation. Violations of human rights should be taught in University. However, the teachers teaching this kind of history would likely be jailed very quickly, as the environment needed to present this kind of discource does not exist in North Africa. Why not just focus on saying that murdering people is wrong, whether it is motivated by race, ethnicity or religion? We should just focus on today. Focus on the holocausts going on around us and doing something to stop those is more logical. |
Morcelli
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To Djamel Dear Djamel, I could not agree with you more. Israel has been very successful in using the holocaust to get the sympathy of the western world. The reason is very simple, Israel has embraced the "values" of the western world but kept everything Jewish intact. Israel was able to gather Jews from Russia to Ethiopia to speak on their behalf. I do talk about the Algerian Government every time an opportunity presents itself. To me it is uncomprehending that the Algerian government doe not want to reconcile its differences with the Moroccan government. We are not talking about opening borders, we are simply talking about sitting across a table from each other and try to come to a common goal that would benefit the people of Algeria and Morocco. Instead and since the price of oil has risen, Algeria decided that it has nothing to do with anything Moroccan and prefers instead to keep 1000s of refugees imprisoned in Tindouf. You seem to be articulate yourself and if people like you, me, and others start talking about this unacceptable situation perhaps the leaders in Morocco and Algeria would look at the situation from a different angle. I am not excusing Morocco and Moroccan leadership have obviously their numerous flaws, they were not able to find that " it" that would bring Algeria to the table. For instance, they eliminated the visa for Algerians without even notifying Algeria thinking that they are doing a good thing. Algeria viewed this move as sneaky. Algeria lost trust of Morocco since the beginning of time and it is still run by folks who were from that time. Morocco is about 50/50. We have a younger generation who wants to turn the page and move forward, The king of Morocco has tried everything possible to get the wheel moving again to start a frank and direct negotiation with Algeria, as you know Bouteflika refused to even send an ambassador, instead , he preferred to exile a sick Belkheir in Morocco to basically die in silence. In this forum, people can care less about the holocaust, they prefer to see Algeria and Morocco become ONE. As an example, I still like to mention the latest soccer match between Algeria and Egypt clearly showed when the Moroccan heart is, I remember vividly during the 2004 caf in Tunisia, Algerians fans supported Morocco and that showed when the Algerian people heart is. Why not do what the PEOPLE wants? and not what the corrupt leaders want. Anyway, this stubbornness between Algeria and Morocco has got to stop for the benefit of both people. We should keep talking about it every time we can. This is not bashing, it is simply the facts on the ground. As for the Jews taking over the media, I agree with you wholeheartedly but do remember that Algeria is the ONLY Arab country that does not support Morocco's territorial integrity. When Morocco does bad thing I am not shy from bashing Morocco. well for as long as I am not in Morocco:)). We do arrest bloggers and Journalists for simply speaking their mind , we even arrest kids whi happen to be Barcelona fans. Thank you. |
B.Hassan
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Soufiani ? Who is this person to ask another moroccan to leave his country? Where did he got the rights to do so? |
Djamel
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... Dear Morcelli, Why do you feel the need to bash Algeria even when the subject discussed has nothing to do with it? I don't understand how someone as intelligent as you can fall into the trap of the very same people he's criticizing, the radicals, the ones who only view the world from a single narrow angle. Being liberal does not mean one has to accept or perpetrate what's wrong. The Holocaust, while not exclusively Jewish, has been monopolized by the Jews and is being used by them as a weapon of propaganda for the sole purpose of obtaining unjustified benefits and support, and anyone who dares question its jewishness is automatically seen as an negationist. Our children have the right to learn the truth, we owe it to them. There have been many Holocausts and human tragedies in the past, and there are still some happening today before our eyes, and it's only by debating each and everyone of them carefully that we will doing our children a service, and not by "shoving" down their throat whatever suits a minuscule group that just happens to control today's media. |
D.H.J.
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Soufiani is Wrong No Moroccan shall be expelled because of ideas, creed, or faith. As much as I disagree with Azoulay's association with the Makhzen, he is free to propose his views. I happen to agree with the idea of teaching moroccan children about the Holocaust. This is a tragic human event and we should all (Moroccans and Muslims) know about it, especially if we sympathize with the Palestinians as I do. |
D.H.J.
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Soufiani is wrong! I am sorry to say that Soufiani is dead wrong. No one, not even the king, can expel a Moroccan from Morocco because of his/her ideas, faith, or creed. I completely sympathize with the Palestinian cause and I don't like Azoulay's association with the Makhzen, but Moroccan kids should learn about the Holocaust, a horrific episode in human history. It is absurd to think that we Moroccans and Muslims cannot express our dismay about the extermination of Jews simply bceause we don't like what Israel is doing to the Palestinians. Common on! Wake up people! |
Morocelli
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Grow up This soufiani thing confuses Judaism with Zionism. Azoulay is Moroccan who happens to be a Jew. Azoulay has defended Morocco all his life. As a matter of fact Israelis hate him because he has always talked about a Palestinian state living side by side Israel. if that is an insult then when you grow up, you'll mature. How would you feel is someone asks you to leave Morocco when you are Moroccan? This guy likes to use the prevalent anti Israeli sentiment in Morocco to stir things up. That could work on the 50% illiterates but should not work on people like you who apparently got exposed to the civilized world. There is no excuse for Israel to butcher Palestinians. Israel if you ask me, is the devil and organ harvesters but we should not confuse an Israel army killer with a Moroccan Jew. |
nabilino
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Point of view I respect Soufiani's point of view even though I disagree with him. Azoulay was correct to release the statement he did, and clarify his position. Hopefully, we learn to respect each other's point of views and not get into the name calling (Morcelli) :) |
Morcelli
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... For those criticizing Azoulay do not understand that folks like him put Moroccans in the category of an open society where there is no difference between a jew,a muslim or christian. Thanks to people to like Azoulay we are not looked at radical muslims who only know the language or terrorism and suicide bombing and the 70 virgins. I feel sorry from my country that has been moving toward radicalism for the last 10 years. Radicals are moving Morocco backwards. They thrive to impose their way of living on everyone who does not wear a beard or a veil. Of course when they hear people like me saying what I say, they accuse me of selling mu sould to the devil, when in facts they are the devil. Their ideology is to move backwards before you move forward, indifferent to the fact that when you move backwards, your train goes by so fast and you will be left in the dust of the 21 century. May god save us from radicals like soufiani whose soul agenda is to move Morocco towards darknes thinking that the destruction of israel is a way of the Arabs to unite. Arabs will never unite. we Just had Algerian chasing Egyptians and burning their properties for some s****d soccer game. I wonder what will happen when Morocco plays Algeria in the CAF? Are they going to cross to Oujda and burn their citizens? I am sure that bouteflika will keep his mouth shut the same thing he did when Egypt slaughtered Algeria 4-0. |
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