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Fatwa: Necrophilia Is Now Halal in Morocco

Morocco: Imam Zamzami backtracks on Controversial Fatwa

Self proclaimed Imam and Islamic scholar Mr. Zamzami AbdelBari, got himself in hot water and quite a bit of ridicule when he delivered a most unusual - some characterize it as depraved- .....

 New York  / Morocco Board News--- Yes, we do have a freak show going on these days. But none of our Monstres Sacrés can match the latest Fatwa published by the (respected) Islamic Scholar and member of the religious  establishment,  Abdelbari Zemzami. He basically allows sexual intercourse with a corpse. Yes. Necrophilia is now Halal in Morocco by the grace of Alem Zemzami.

I should perhaps be more specific in Zemzami’s Fatwa: he allows the widowed husband to have sexual intercourse with the corpse of his deceased wife. The Fatwa does not say whether it reciprocates for a woman (although I suspect even with rigor mortis, it will not do) nor does it specify how many hours after the wife’s death a man can still, you know… perform their marital duties. If it was not for the scholar’s level of seniority, I would dismiss this fatwa as yet another deranged, lonely individual who did not get some for a while. But this is Zemzami. And it is a Fatwa from an official of the Habous ministry. If indeed such Fatwa is genuine.

But the issue goes beyond our funny Zemzami – please follow the hashtags#FunnyZemzami and #ZemzamiFatwa, you will get a kicking out of the twittoma’s imagination and acerbic witticism- and strikes at the very heart of individual freedom and the rule of positive law; Zemzami is empowered to produce Islamic rulings that can easily be considered an obligation on the Muslim community in Morocco; As a Alem, an Islamic Scholar, his Fatwas are norms. He can claim to actually dictate what we, as members of the Ummah, should do or not do. We are thus submitted to the double fetter of God’s law, and Man’s law.  We individual citizens have no grip on such legislation, an infringement on our democratic rights, and perhaps the most straightforward argument in favour of the criticism that Morocco is no democracy.

Zemzami justifies his ruling by means of analogy: Since a good Muslim couple will meet again in Heaven, and since death does not alter the marital contract (in his opinion) it is not a hindrance to the husband’s desire to have sexual intercourse with the corpse of his (freshly) deceased wife. A deranged mind and flawed logical thinking seem not to be part of the position of Senior Alem’s requirements. I am no Islamic Scholar (thank God) but I remember from my (compulsory and utterly boring) High School Islamic courses that there is a minimum amount of logical thinking when the Imam (or Alem) makes their Ijtihad, or investigations. And quite frankly, I really don’t see how he managed to find a ruling for the deceased; The Islamic literature is very extensive on the living (as it normally it should be) but Zemzami’s ruling tops them all. He seemed to overlook the procreating objective of marital mating (this is why concepts such as “نكاح المتعة” are forbidden) or even

Indeed, Zemzami’s ruling is funny. It is so, because if one wants to think of it otherwise, the first thing to spring to mind is something like: “what goes on the man’s life to take such a keen interest in such an obscure issue to devote time and resources and come up with a an even stranger ruling”? I mean, perhaps the Habous officials do bore themselves to death in their offices, but still, they are civil servants and receive their salaries (comfortable salaries in Zemzami’s case) on the taxpayer’s dime. It is only just to question the man’s competence (never mind sanity) and legitimacy to dream up rulings regulating our lives.

Abdelbari Zemzami, again, is no ordinary scholar: he is formally a الخبير في فقه النوازل which means an Expert in Exceptional Matters, issues that have not been delineated in the Quran, the Hadith, or anywhere in Sharia law. Zemzami actually did his job: such a bizarre occurrence never happened before, and was never discussed in past scholarly work or in the original Islamic laws, so it is up to him, the expert, to come up with something. Yes, Zemzami is the chief scholar at the vanguard of new Islamic rulings designed to make life more harmonious within the Islamic community. Frightening.

The whole idea of a Ulema corps is at odds with democracy. First because it is another infringement on individual rights; Indeed, we are living in a society, and because of it, individuals need to sacrifice some of their rights for the sake of the collective freedom. The democratic setting minimizes these fetters to the necessary rules required for a peaceful  coexistence. This means that no restrictions should be put on intimate issues -which religions, especially Islam, want to regulate in accordance to their teachings, so as to achieve their Holy City utopia. In view of these elements, positive law is sufficient an infringement on individual freedom to indulge in adding yet another restriction. And even though there is no direct link between the Penal sanction of non-marital sexual relationships and Zemzami’s fatwa, I suspect frustrations due to the repressive sexual policy, as it were, do lead to suchVaudevillian situations; Opening up to sexual tolerance and essential the breaking of ‘wedlock monopoly‘ could help stem dangerous behaviour (rather than encourage them, as the conservative theory goes)

Zemzami’s ruling is a blessing in disguise: it furthers the cause of secularists; It is the proof that dogmatic and conservative policies are a failure, and frustrations and social deviances arising from such fettering rules are a blatant rebuttal to those who believe all Moroccans will be moral knights and dames. Subsequently, instead of treating everyone as a devout Muslim (and punishing anyone who does not care about it) it is easier, and nicer, to scrap these pieces of legislation. It also have the courage to do away with hypocrisy (the penal code punishes non-observant ofRamadan but not those who do not go to the Mosque, even though prayers have seniority as an Islamic pillar)

Oh, and one last thing. Zemzami really should be put in some asylum. Or allowed to set up a One Man Show; that way he will do no harm to the saner people. And it seems he stands by his ruling: necrophilia is Halal. Looking forward to the next ruling on f**king goats.

 

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E.Chalf
0 #1 Say WHAT!E.Chalf 2011-05-10 11:11
How does this even come up as a question?!!!!!! Someone should check on this dude's wife, make sure he doesn't have her laid up in his basement being used as a blow-up doll!
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lafouz
0 #2 Madamelafouz 2011-05-10 19:00
A si Zouhair, is this article a kind of sarcasm or reality? if it is then this is sikness and the guy should go to the mental hospital. If he's not healed, then maybe he should f*** corpses and see how it is. "wahorimat alaykoum lmayta" wouldn't make sense here.....? Religious can be evils, no sense nor logic, just BS, wake up people, we are the 21st century.....
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Nanu
+1 #3 nonesneseNanu 2011-05-10 21:30
Zouhair it is a shame you are reproducing here his "fatwa" even if to "discuss" it or bash it. 1- Zemzami is definitely not Morocco, far from it and 2- I understand the "sensational" side of it, but again, why give a platform to such nonsense, extremism and lunatic voice? Bref, you got the point..
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Kursk
+1 #4 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Fatwa: Necrophilia Is Now Halal in MoroccoKursk 2011-05-10 22:28
Islam exists in the high tech, western made world, yet lives in the 7th century in the minds of its clerics and a vast majority of its ignorant and uneducated followers..
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Karim Addoukkali
0 #5 It is not about Zemzami, it is about our society shaping this creasy mind and many others Karim Addoukkali 2011-05-11 02:48
The question to be asked.
How can that this man is on the headlines? Some in this forum are asking to ignore him. I think the issue is of great importance to any Moroccan and should be discussed. Thanks to the internet, we are learning more about this guy who is the president of the Moroccan association for research and studies. Researchers in democratic countries are working hard to help improve and extend life of patients. Others are trying to help people die pain free. Our researcher Zemzami is trying to identify a piece in the Coran which can allow him to rape a dead body.I used rape since this Alem does not believe that sex needs the consent of the two. The case is important because Islam is used in combination with obscuratism to justify the legitimacy of the actual political system and the Makhzen in Morocco. Zemzami is allowed to cultivate this non sense and still have a lot of followers in Casablanca. He even left the PJD and try or even create his own political party. If this man is so popular, how can democray have a chance ?
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NObama
+1 #6 you muslims are off the hookNObama 2011-05-11 05:37
Does it make a difference if the husband honor-killed her, or if it was someone else? Sick pigs.
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COUSCOUS KING
0 #7 are you crazy? this guy should be tried in a muslim court for falsifying the teachings of islamCOUSCOUS KING 2011-05-11 06:06
to show that the teaching of islam in the hands of the most corrupt and ignorant wanna be imams has sunk into a new low, definitely,corr ect me if i'm wrong in koran , horimat alykom maytat walahma alkhizir , meaning touching in evil way death body and consuming pork, i had to ask my old man for this , so he found a sourat for me in the holy koran, as i said this guy should brought to justice for misguiding the innocent students in the teachings of islam and you wonder why we're having young poeple being brain washed by terrorism and acts of violence, c'mon now ,get seriouse
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Aziz El Alami
+1 #8 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Fatwa: Necrophilia Is Now Halal in MoroccoAziz El Alami 2011-05-11 10:16
This flawed Fatwa by this Imam reinforces my belief that Islam is in a dire need for an immediate reform… We Muslims can no longer afford to allow certain misinformed individuals to represent and speak on behalf of the entire Muslim community.

Our Holly Book contains many “confusing or vague” passages. The language in which the Koran is written is so sophisticated even for the well educated, Arabic speaking person. A sad reality is that Most Muslims do not have a clear understanding of the meanings of some of the Koran’s verses – and this, IMHO, is a direct cause of all the misinterpretati ons, manipulations and flat-out abuse by the likes of Imam Zemzami.

I am forever hopeful that Moderate (Reformist) Muslim Scholars would rebuttal Imam Zemzami’s findings and provide a more logical explanation to his madness.
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Fliss
0 #9 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Fatwa: Necrophilia Is Now Halal in MoroccoFliss 2011-05-11 13:16
Do you think, that Imam Sheikh, Zamzami Abdelbar, an Islamic scholar, is misinterpreting the Qu'ran and hadith here? If what he says about Prophet Mohammed (pbuh), ie haviog sex with his dead aunt..., is a lie, then surely this scholar of Islam is a blasphemer and should be prosecuted under Morocco's strict blasphemy laws? If that is the case, why has he NOT been arrested and slapped into jail?
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Omar EG
0 #10 come on now..Omar EG 2011-05-11 20:23
I hope you'll accept criticism and publish this one. After all you published Nobama's racist rant right?

Anyway, here's why I take issues with you giving this guy any kind of headlight.

First, and contrary to what Karim Doukkali says, the man is not a well-known figure, even in Morocco. Therefore I see no reason why his his crazy ideas should be given this kind of free publicity? Why not go around mental asylums and collect patient's views on various subjects and then publish them online? That'd make for an interesting read I'm sure.

Second, the title is wrong: I'm glad you changed it from your original "halal in Islam", but saying "halal in Morocco" is no better. Necrophilia, as in any country will get you to jail in Morocco. Muslims believe that God has clearly defined what is halal and what is haram in the Quran, and that man has no authority to add or remove to the list.. A title like that only serves to create a sensationalist headline, with the unwanted effect of giving a bad name to our religion and country. Did you know that your post is appearing on all recent Morocco searches in the news? have you thought about that?

Third, our religion is very simple, the holy text is clear. What happens is that muslims don't know their religion. The fundamentalists completely misread the text to serve their purpose and use hadiths which sometimes contradict the word of God (on this point and others). The issue is that so called moderate muslims (I never hear anyone been labelled a moderate christian or moderate jew by the way...) like Aziz EL Alami here, don’t know their religion either and somehow ironically agree with fundamentalists that the “text is not clear” and that only “scholars” should explain it. There is no concept of of self-appointed experts in the Quran, let alone "Experts in Exceptional Matters" (sic). If those guys knew the Quran, they'd know that this is akin to Shirk: in essence, God did not legislate on a subject as important as knowing if a man can have sex with his dead wife so the eminent Expert in Exceptional Matters will do this on his behalf?

Open your eyes people and don't let idiots fool you - God's given you a brain, activate it. If you're not religious that's fine too, but please don't agree with the fundamentalist on what this religion is. They have no superior knowledge that you don't.

thanks
Omar
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Zouhair Baghough
0 #11 @ Omar EGZouhair Baghough 2011-05-11 23:41
Hi,

I do not have access to comment moderation, so I haven't even read the comment you are referring to.

Zemzemi not famous in Morocco? The guy is a high ranking Alem in the Habous Ministry! He lost the 2007 election to Yasmina Baddou by a narrow margin. And yes, because of his status as "nawazil" expert, his fatwas are Sharia-complian t, thus the statement "necrophilia is Halal in Morocco" stands ok.

As for the title, the original one was "Funny Zemzami, The Necrophile Scholar"

Thanks for the comment
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karim addoukkali
0 #12 Surf and find outkarim addoukkali 2011-05-11 23:56
Omar EG,
Below are two links about this guy. This guy is better known in Casablanca. May be I am wrong but according to the web he is .

http://www.amazighworld.org/history/amazighophobia/morocco/zamzami/zamzami.php
http://www.magharebia.com/cocoon/awi/xhtml1/en_GB/features/awi/features/2007/09/02/feature-01
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jimmi
+1 #13 It must be a joke.jimmi 2011-05-11 23:59
It must be a joke. It can not be true... not one would acept such a fatwa...
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Aziz El Alami
0 #14 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Fatwa: Necrophilia Is Now Halal in MoroccoAziz El Alami 2011-05-12 01:10
@ Omar – There is absolutely nothing wrong with referring to experts for advice – We each have our own areas of expertise and Islam teaching is certainly not one of mine. That is why I was hoping that Moderate/Reform ist Muslim Scholars would comment on this issue. They know a lot more (or at least they should) about Islam than I do.

BTW, there are Moderate Christians and Moderate Jews… Their moderation is what separates them from the Radical ones.
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dan
0 #15 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Fatwa: Necrophilia Is Now Halal in Moroccodan 2011-05-12 02:28
This is important to publish mostly to show us how much thinking Muslims disagree, and how modern much Muslim thinking is. I think, too, that his wife would not want him to do this to her body. It is one of those times when mental gyrations to justify dogma set in the past are ridiculous, and one needs to interpret to help the religion fit today's norms. Literalists can be found in the other Abrahamic religions (and, I am sure, others as in tribal custom literalists, who usually rule against women's rights) and there is always a problem with using outdated concepts. God did give us brains and commin sense and a sense of fair play, after all, to use in our daily lives and with our fellow mankind.
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man en blanc
0 #16 Senor El Alami,man en blanc 2011-05-12 02:43
I completely agree with you. Islam and the holy book should be reformed and twenty-first century user-friendly.
It pains me what I get from the Koran is asymmetric to what some other moslem might deduce which yet again different from others and so on...

We need a unified vision regarding our religion.
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Jamal Laoudi
0 #17 don't hate the playerJamal Laoudi 2011-05-12 03:00
he is calling it like he sees it - he did say that he did not pull that off a hat but has islamic literature he relied on - The question is, as Muslims, do we really understand our faith? Why are we holding on to opinions of 100s of years ago? Isn't Islam a dynamic religion that is good for all time? Let's reform its understanding cuz as Muslims, we are looking pretty bad right now!!!!
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Moroccan in the U.S.
0 #18 Knee-jerk reaction anyone?Moroccan in the U.S. 2011-05-12 04:19
I decided to investigate rather than rely on Mr Zouhair's perspective. Come to find out This scholar is on facebook, he took the time to explain what he actually said and why he said it.
It's NOT as cut and dry nor it is as black and white as this article suggests.
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Morcelli
0 #19 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Fatwa: Necrophilia Is Now Halal in MoroccoMorcelli 2011-05-12 04:37
Dear All,
it's not Islam, in any other religion you will find crazy interpretation. Orthodox Jews think a woman is inferior to man, they even erased Hilary Clinton using photoshop from this famous picture images.publicradio.org/content/2011/05/09/20110509_clinton-photo_33.jpg

Religion is what you make of it, I am a muslim but I do not wake up in the morning and say " Hummmm, i need to get me another wife this afternoon because one is not enough and as a Muslim I can enjoy 4 of them and Gof will bless me for making my current wife miserable".

Some of you are talking Islam and Javascript, Islam ruby and rails, Islam 2.0.
I think you need a brain 2.0.
Think about it, If you beleive in God, then God gave you a brain, then use it. it 's not too hard to differentiate between good and evil. Don't rely too much on zamzami, aouita, or driss diba. Usa su cabeza!
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WesTexasChristian
0 #20 small town boyWesTexasChristian 2011-05-12 05:00
it IS refreshing to see posts here calling for reformation in the holy texts used by those who practice Islam. and calls for moderation and statements for the prosecution of this guy for his fatwa. when we, as non-Muslims, read such outlandish fatwas we wonder if the whole religion is of this mindset. seeing these posts and comments is a bit of a pleasent suprise. peace be upon you all, hopefully this post finds you well.
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Omar
0 #21 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Fatwa: Necrophilia Is Now Halal in MoroccoOmar 2011-05-12 08:15
Hey guys
First of all my apologies:
- i mixed up this another one on the site, dealing with the same subject, and using islam in the title
- my comment on the other post was published,

So now that I look daft, allow me to address some of your comments:
-on the fellow's popularity in Morocco: political office,or affiliation with any institution is by no mean a measure of popularity or reach. I still think that the vast majority of moroccans , who dont vote, have little exposure to the public and political life, have never heard of this guy. He is not say what some of the big egyptian predicators are
-on the level of expertise required to understand the quran: none, i m not saying it, god is. If god had wanted us to refer matter to a body of people somehow granted the gift to understand what he meant he would have said it. Who are those guys to dare speaking on god's behalf. When i started to read the quran, at first i found contradictions between what i was reading and other things i had heard: i then realised that the contradictions were created by people attributing sayings to the prophet or making up interpretations or taking pieces of the book in isolation.
So aziz, i apologise if you felt i was attacking you, on the contrary i wanted to illustrate that nobody has more authority than you to understand what gos is telling you.

Zouhair: i still think the title is unwarranted, sheikh z has no authority to decide what's halal, in morocco or elsewhere. Think of how this reads to the foreign eye...
Take care
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Aziz El Alami
0 #22 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Fatwa: Necrophilia Is Now Halal in MoroccoAziz El Alami 2011-05-12 22:50
@ Omar – No apologies needed… I was not offended by your comments at all, I just did not agree with them – and I still don’t: We DO need experts’ help in explaining the many vague verses in our Holy Book and I’ll tell you why - - and this is just a very tiny example - - Recent statistics put the illiteracy rate in Morocco at about 50%. This represents over 16 Million people, in Morocco alone, who can not read or write… How do you expect these people to understand the very eloquent classical Arabic of the Koran?

I do not doubt their belief in Islam. I am sure they all think of themselves as good Muslims – I will purposely not comment any further on this last statement as it might get complicated.

So yes Mr. Omar, we do need to solicit Experts’ advice. People go to Mosques, Churches and Synagogues not only to pray – but also to learn from Imams, Priests and Rabbis for they are perceived to know more about their respective religions.

One last thing – in both of your posts, you expressed concern on how “the west” would see this??? I think –openly- discussing issues such as this is nothing to be ashamed of.
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Morcelli
0 #23 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Fatwa: Necrophilia Is Now Halal in MoroccoMorcelli 2011-05-12 23:16
I think this zamzami is a genius when he succeeded on having us debate his crap.
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Hishamity
0 #24 MashallahHishamity 2011-05-13 01:25
Forensic investigators should pay the source of that fatwa, and his inquisitors, a long meticulous visit; there could be skeletons in their closets waiting for burial.

Seriously though: Problem! What about burial, don't you think it gets in the way of this psychopaths-des ire? After death there is the grieving period, which is more, not less than the 24-hour deadline for interment. Knowing that, how can you then act on this fatwa and proceed with your "fun" while still grieving? And don't even try to say sex is for children not fun because corpses don't even get pregnant. Only a sick and disordered person, with a dissonance in their piety could begin such a sexual aberration...Ha ndcuffs need to touch the Necrophiliac's wrists, in my Moroccan opinion.
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Noori
0 #25 Huh?Noori 2011-05-13 01:48
I guarantee that the Christians and Jews do not issue rulings that necrophilia is OK. Disgusting.
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haras
0 #26 The whole debate needs some readjustmentharas 2011-05-13 02:28
Well, in all fairness the guy, Mr Zemzami, commenting on his Fatwa, doesn't approve of necrophilia and finds the idea repulsive and was even shocked by the question...

What he said, in his own words, was that there is nothing in the quran or the hadith, that would state clearly that the practice is Haram...

He explains that this is not a matter of -his- taste, but rather, what is in the texts, and he couldn't find something that would rule necrophilia, clearly, as Haram.

And yes Mr. Zemzami is an authority on religious matters, yet he is not the AUTHORITY, there are other scholars and more importantly, moroccans are not a herd, so stop debating here as if you are the only ones who can think for themselves...
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Omar
0 #27 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Fatwa: Necrophilia Is Now Halal in MoroccoOmar 2011-05-13 05:35
Aziz. I think we disagree on a fundamental point. By equating imams to priests or rabbis you ignore a basic principle of islam which is that there is no clergy or religious authority. Another key principle of islam is the exclusivity of the believer's relationship with it's maker,
My view is that the confusions and contradictions one can feel are merely the result of muslims ignoring that key part of the divine message (by no means am i saying people should believe in it by the way, but non believers are not the issue here). That s my personal experience. I can name countless supposed hadiths that blatantly contradict the quran for instance. The text is not as hard as you may think. I m no expert in classical arabic but i use translations and fair enough they re countless but still... You re an educated man i m sure you ll understand the message just fine.
You do raise an interesting point which is that in morocco a lot of people are illeterate or cant read the text in their native language. I ve been a long advocate of translating the text in berber for instance..but anyway the point is that having so called expert telling those people what they should think is wrong and dangerous on so many levels, that cant be the solution. The solution is to EDUCATE people, not to rely on idiots like zamzam.

As to the west perception: i have no issue with this debate being brodcast, on the contrary and as some of the western readers noted it allows to hear other muslim voices. My issue was specifically with the title chosen for the article, which is simply innacurate (necrophilia is NOT halal in Morocco anyway you look at it). I equate it with sensationalist titles used by media peddling the old cliches about islam.

Hope this clarifies matters
Thanks
Omar
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nabil-b
0 #28 what is thisnabil-b 2011-05-13 07:11
since when did we here in school , sunna , coran, or imam bioukhari that having a relation with a dead body is hallal , lahawla . ikramou almayit dafnouh.
what world are we living in ????
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Abdullah al-Almani
0 #29 Abdel-Bari Zamzami is an impostor.Abdullah al-Almani 2011-05-14 01:16
salam,

why should necrophilia become halal in Islam? Only by the fatwa of the impostor Abdel-Bari Zamzami? It is very easy even for a student of Shari´a, let alone a scholar, to refute his argumentation. The Moroccan state should stop him. It is one of the signs of the last hour coming nearer that there will appear people claiming that they are scholars of the Holy Law and that they are qualified to give fatwas, but they are not qualified, and they only mislead people. You should be careful and take you knowledge about your Religion only from real scholars.

Abdullah al-Almani
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TruthSeeker
0 #30 Zamzimi(s) are theologist terroist TruthSeeker 2011-05-14 05:30
Zemzami is theologist terrorist, he must be arrested and tried in court.No re-taking allowed, must be in court to explain, If found guilty, must be punished to maximum according to law. Surely this is false claim by zemzami and misleading and blasphemy. And is blasphemy libel case.
It is about time Moslem should reform their religion and do some house cleaning Surely all religions must do the same. There are Zemzamis are in every religion and they must do the same. I believe Mr. Zemzami is referring to this Hadith ( Which is actually a story about Prophet Mohammed which goes like this.
“Anas bin Malek says that when the Prophet (pbhm) got news of the death Fatimah bint Asad,He immediately went to her house, sat beside her and prayed for her. “MY dear mother, may Allah keep you under His Protection. Many times you went hungry in order to feed me well. You fed me and clothed me on delicacies that you denied yourself. Allah will surely be happy with these actions of yours. Ad your intentions were surely meant to win the good will and leasure of allah and success in the Hereafter.” He Gave his shirt to be used as part of her shroud, saying he prayed to Allah to forgive her and give her the dress of Paradise. When the grave was prepared the Prophet (pbh) himself examined it and with his own hands and lied down the inside it then he got out then the Prophet and the companions placed her into the grave.Thus, she was one of the few blessed people whise graves the Prophet (pbh) himself examined. “Fatimah bint Asad is that great lady for whom he gave the glad tidings that she would be blessed with a place in paradise. He said that he shrouded her with his shirt, praying that Allah would give her the dress of paradise. Allah please with them and they pleased Allah” The Arabic word translated as I Slept” idajaa”. ( This word can either mean: Lie down, lie reclines, repose. BUT it does not infer sex. It simply refers to lying down or sleeping. There is NO way it refers to sex. NO authority would consider it meaning sex. From said Haidth we see the laying in grave for examination purpose was done prior to Fatimah being lowered into her resting place. Prophet (pbh) was not alone at the grave side usually the burying of a deceased person is a community effort, thus it would be absurd to suggest somebody had sex with a deceased woman whilst everybody sat and watched. Add to that Islam does not allow sex with dead people. IT is NOT allowed to touch the nakedness (private parts) of the deceased.
There are other versions of this story and none verify Prophet had sex with dead woman.
To clear another thing, woman in story is Fathimah bint Asad is Mother is Ali ibn Abi Talib, this great lady raised the Prophet after he was orphaned.
This controversy was created by Zakaria Butrous (Google him) who made this claim that Prophet (pbh) had sex with a dead woman and Many “SO called Scholars” like Zemzami took his lead without reading or understanding of Islam, Quran and how to read and understand hadith and Islamic history and Islamic studies; And its effects on Islamic religion of today.
Going back to Zakaria Butrous’s claim and his hypocritical nature, same word ( a construct of “idajaa) is used Arabic bible (2Kings 4:32) same word is used and translated as “laid” and not sex or anything of that nature.
One should understand that made up stories and false hadiths has entered into Islamic traditions and practices, many respected scolars took great care in their writtens; example: It is said that Imam al-Bukhari collected over 300,000 hadith and included only 2,602 traditions in his Sahih; Imam al-Bukhai himself examine over 300, 000 and reject over or did not include over 297397 hadiths in his books and there is a possibility he missed some … ?
I would like to touch Fique and Sharia
4 Rightous ( Abu Bakar, Umar, Oman and Ali [AS])they were educated (read and write) did not wrote any Figue or Sharia law, They knew and understood that religion is personal and practice, separation of Church and state during their rule. They did judge cases in court or state issues via secular and reason. Fique ans Sharia laws are MAN MADE and has nothing to do with Koran. Writers of such law use verses of Koran to justify their points and laws which is a great SIN against God.
Moslems and people of all religion should exam their religion and correct them self. For example in Abrahamic religion before Islam, God “ Yahweah “ had a wife called “Asherah “ was worshiped in The temple, for few hundred years (around 628 BC) and religous Scholars rejected this idea and correct their holy books and took wife of God out of their religion and Holy book - fact remains that most Abrahamic religion always been polytheists in one or another way except Islam.
There are many Zamzimi(s) in history and there will be more to come …. It is reponisblity of self to seek and find the truth and reject people like Zamzimi .
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Sane Centrist
0 #31 Not what was intended for our people...Sane Centrist 2011-05-15 08:17
This is very insulting to me as a Moroccan (half Moroccan anyway) and for the life of me I cannot find the justification for anyone to give permission to other's for such a morbid disgusting act.

The original traditions and teachings of Islam and other religions born from Abraham never talked about such acts, and I find it a sacrilege to even have the discussion.

I personally do not practice the Muslim faith but I respect it, and I find most of its writings and teachings to be quite beautiful, this is not.......
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Sane Centrist
0 #32 This goes out to the person that calls himself NObama...Sane Centrist 2011-05-16 01:42
NObama,

Your comments are quite rude and factually incorrect. I am not a practicing Muslim but I am of Arabic decent and I find your comments quite offensive.

Just by reading through this thread and any other sites where Muslims and non-Muslims offer opinions on world events you would surely see that 99.9% of all Muslims do not condone violent acts or approve of them.

Your hatred has clouded your judgment, and it keeps you living in darkness, but then again your screen name says it all.

Haven’t I seen you trolling on HP?
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jazmine
0 #33 Death to Abuse!jazmine 2011-05-17 22:37
Zamzami should be hanged from his balls...if he can't control himself to the savage and barbaric point of sleeping with a dead corpse!
Islam taught us how to respect our deads and not to fondle them when they are lifeless! in the same way that Islam has taught us to respect women in general...how many muslim countries respect women??? you tell me!!! there are no real Muslims in this world!!!
Jaz
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TruthSeeker
0 #34 ...how many muslim countries respect women??? you tell me!!! there are no real Muslims in this world!!! TruthSeeker 2011-05-18 04:33
Jazmine,
I would like to know, with all due respect
1: What is Your definition of real Muslim ?
2: what is Your definition muslim country ?
3: which muslim ( so called muslim country in your opinion - I guess ) country does not respect women and in what sense ?
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jazmine
0 #35 Islam is cleaner than all Muslims!jazmine 2011-05-18 20:04
I don't have to tell you or explain anything!
Read the Koran, read Sira Nabawiya...don' t relay on Zamazami to understand Islam and don't rely on the West or US to tell you about human rights.......Is lam for decades has taught us about respect, human rights, democracy and how to treat every living thing...so good luck in your readings.
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Sane Centrist
0 #36 Reading is FundamentalSane Centrist 2011-05-19 10:19
The incredible thing about educating oneself is the liberty and clarity it provides.

Jazmine makes a very good point regarding Islam and Muslims. People are quick to repeat inconsistencies they’ve heard on the news or from third parties that have no idea of what their talking about.

To educate yourself is to liberate yourself………..

People don’t have to be ugly with each other, just better informed.
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TruthSeeker
+1 #37 you are correct ! TruthSeeker 2011-05-21 07:20
Jazmine and to whom it may concern:
You are absolute right, We should not listen to people like Zamzim(s) and enhanced our knowledge. Everyone should read Koran and Sunnah to learn Islam. I personally encourage women to speak up and demand and take their rightful rights.
Women in Islam has much great contribution then they got credit for. According to one saying of prophet of Islam (pbuh) Aisha bint Abu Bakr (612 - 678) (RA) and wife of the prophet) is the first Mufti (religious scholar ) most of the “Siya nabi” is based mostly on contributions of Aisha bint Abu Bakr (RA). She is definitely the first Imam of Islam. Aisha lived on almost fifty years after the passing away of the Prophet. She had been his wife for a decade. Much of this time was spent in learning and acquiring knowledge of the two most important sources of God's guidance, the Koran and the Sunnah of Muhammad. Aisha was one of three wives (the other two being Hafsah and Umm Salamah) who memorized the revelation (The Quran). Like Hafsah, she had her own script of the Quran written after the Prophet had died. Copy of Koran of Hafsah was used to standardized the book and Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib took Hafsah’s Koran when he moved to Kufa (his new capital) to read and follow; so there is argument of any other versions of Koran and is accepted by Sunni and righteous Shia Imams. We can learn a lot from these righteous women of Islam and from life and teachings.
Its absolute truth that in Koran God said man and women are born.
In man dominated Arab counties women are suppressed by law. Arab women should raise their voices for their righteous rights which are Given to them.
I firmly believed that without women, there would have been no “Jasmine Revolution” or “ Arab spring up-Raising of 2011” in North Africa.
I salute women of Saudi Arabia for taking their right to drive few days ago when they defy the law which prohibits women to drive a car in said country.
Respect is earned by following basic morals and righteous ways. "Right" is taken or given by peaceful way. Morocco has women religious teachers (thanks to the king). These religious teacher visit different parts of Morocco and teach women about their rights and so forth. There is lot of work need to be done for sure. Women who speak up and demand their righteous right are very much admired by educated and reasonable(s) and get their voices do get heard. I do encourage women (and men too) to learn more and question anything they feel to know. Moslem Women should start taking very active part in this process again.


copy of my first comment for this article is below:
Zamzimi(s) are theologist terroist
Zemzami is theologist terrorist, he must be arrested and tried in court.No re-taking allowed, must be in court to explain, If found guilty, must be punished to maximum according to law. Surely this is false claim by zemzami and misleading and blasphemy. And is blasphemy libel case.
It is about time Moslem should reform their religion and do some house cleaning Surely all religions must do the same. There are Zemzamis are in every religion and they must do the same. I believe Mr. Zemzami is referring to this Hadith ( Which is actually a story about Prophet Mohammed which goes like this.
“Anas bin Malek says that when the Prophet (pbhm) got news of the death Fatimah bint Asad,He immediately went to her house, sat beside her and prayed for her. “MY dear mother, may Allah keep you under His Protection. Many times you went hungry in order to feed me well. You fed me and clothed me on delicacies that you denied yourself. Allah will surely be happy with these actions of yours. Ad your intentions were surely meant to win the good will and leasure of allah and success in the Hereafter.” He Gave his shirt to be used as part of her shroud, saying he prayed to Allah to forgive her and give her the dress of Paradise. When the grave was prepared the Prophet (pbh) himself examined it and with his own hands and lied down the inside it then he got out then the Prophet and the companions placed her into the grave.Thus, she was one of the few blessed people whise graves the Prophet (pbh) himself examined. “Fatimah bint Asad is that great lady for whom he gave the glad tidings that she would be blessed with a place in paradise. He said that he shrouded her with his shirt, praying that Allah would give her the dress of paradise. Allah please with them and they pleased Allah” The Arabic word translated as I Slept” idajaa”. ( This word can either mean: Lie down, lie reclines, repose. BUT it does not infer sex. It simply refers to lying down or sleeping. There is NO way it refers to sex. NO authority would consider it meaning sex. From said Haidth we see the laying in grave for examination purpose was done prior to Fatimah being lowered into her resting place. Prophet (pbh) was not alone at the grave side usually the burying of a deceased person is a community effort, thus it would be absurd to suggest somebody had sex with a deceased woman whilst everybody sat and watched. Add to that Islam does not allow sex with dead people. IT is NOT allowed to touch the nakedness (private parts) of the deceased.
There are other versions of this story and none verify Prophet had sex with dead woman.
To clear another thing, woman in story is Fathimah bint Asad is Mother is Ali ibn Abi Talib, this great lady raised the Prophet after he was orphaned.
This controversy was created by Zakaria Butrous (Google him) who made this claim that Prophet (pbh) had sex with a dead woman and Many “SO called Scholars” like Zemzami took his lead without reading or understanding of Islam, Quran and how to read and understand hadith and Islamic history and Islamic studies; And its effects on Islamic religion of today.
Going back to Zakaria Butrous’s claim and his hypocritical nature, same word ( a construct of “idajaa) is used Arabic bible (2Kings 4:32) same word is used and translated as “laid” and not sex or anything of that nature.
One should understand that made up stories and false hadiths has entered into Islamic traditions and practices, many respected scolars took great care in their writtens; example: It is said that Imam al-Bukhari collected over 300,000 hadith and included only 2,602 traditions in his Sahih; Imam al-Bukhai himself examine over 300, 000 and reject over or did not include over 297397 hadiths in his books and there is a possibility he missed some … ?
I would like to touch Fique and Sharia
4 Rightous ( Abu Bakar, Umar, Oman and Ali [AS])they were educated (read and write) did not wrote any Figue or Sharia law, They knew and understood that religion is personal and practice, separation of Church and state during their rule. They did judge cases in court or state issues via secular and reason. Fique ans Sharia laws are MAN MADE and has nothing to do with Koran. Writers of such law use verses of Koran to justify their points and laws which is a great SIN against God.
Moslems and people of all religion should exam their religion and correct them self. For example in Abrahamic religion before Islam, God “ Yahweah “ had a wife called “Asherah “ was worshiped in The temple, for few hundred years (around 628 BC) and religous Scholars rejected this idea and correct their holy books and took wife of God out of their religion and Holy book - fact remains that most Abrahamic religion always been polytheists in one or another way except Islam.
There are many Zamzimi(s) in history and there will be more to come …. It is reponisblity of self to seek and find the truth and reject people like Zamzimi .
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Sharra
0 #38 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Fatwa: Necrophilia Is Now Halal in MoroccoSharra 2011-05-23 11:32
I was feeling a little down and a bit out of sorts today. Usually I tell myself that the best thing is to find something ridiculous in life that will make me laugh.... I really appreciate this article, as it was just the thing.

I cannot imagine the thought process that the Imam has. All religions do have their more "interesting" adherents. Perhaps the Imam has been drinking bad herbal tea.
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haha
+1 #39 Beastialityhaha 2011-06-14 10:30
Yes sex with goats will definately be next on the list. maaaa maaaaa
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lynette
0 #40 COMMENT_TITLE_R E Fatwa: Necrophilia Is Now Halal in Moroccolynette 2012-05-04 00:57
I'm sure the wives enjoy it more than when they were alive.
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Samer
0 #41 have a lookSamer 2012-05-10 07:43
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taZngkAhCNM
You should know arabic ,I saw his vid he said it would be crazy to do such an act, but legally the man is allowed to kiss his wife goodbye, also to wash her body for the funeral, but personally I think that Zamzami should explain more about his Fatwa.
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Madiha Noman
0 #42 a ridiculous jokeMadiha Noman 2013-09-17 09:35
This heinous activity is completely unacceptable in Islam.Islam puts high emphasis on maintaining the rights of corpses and dishonoring them in any way is sinful and thus any person who attempts to dishonor a corpse has to be severely punished. This person is absolutely talking rubbish. I really think he needs a psychiatrist.Pe ople must not take it as a fatwa or believe in anyway on such a lunatic person.
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