Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism
- HASSAN MASIKY
- 01/25/13
Washington / Morocco News Board--- Now that the United States , in the words of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, “ faces very serious, ongoing and “strategic threat in North Africa from al-Qaeda affiliates and other jihadists” , the role of Algeria’s feared and secretive military security agency (Département du Renseignement et de la Sécurité or DRS) is coming under scrutiny in the American and European press.
A recent article by Eli Lake and Jamie Dettmer in the Daily Beast explores the long held suspicion that Mokhtar Belmokhtar, the mastermind of the In Amanas terror attack that killed scores of foreign workers in a natural gas facility in the Algerian desert, worked for the DRS. Citing current and former U.S. intelligence officers, Lake and Dettmer allege “Belmokhtar may have once worked as an Algerian informant”.
With the death of three Americans in In Amenas and the possible connections between events in Algeria and the Attack on the American Consulate in Benghazi, the United States government must put economic interests aside and ask Algerian officials the hard question: Is the DRS playing a double game in the Sahel and theSahara? Quoted in The Daily Beast , John Schindler, a former National Security Agency counterintelligence officer stated that “Algerian defectors have named several emirs as [Algerian security] agents in the past including Belmokhtar.”
“It was widely believed in U.S. counterintelligence circles that he was an … agent." In addition, the Daily Beast cite a “European intelligence officer, who declined to be named, as saying the politics of the region has at times been highly complex with “temporary marriages of convenience” and shifting divisions and alliances forming around trafficking deals that cross over ideological lines. “There’s a lot of money to be made from smuggling and elements in the intelligence services in the region have also had their fingers in the pie.””
The DRS handling of Belmokhtar and his like goes to the heart of Algeria’s long running regional strategy of keeping remnant of terrorism alive to validate its “critical part” in fighting terror. The Algerian government has used the specter of terrorism to boost its geopolitical importance in the eyes of Western powers and justify the military’s continues meddling in Algerian politics. For the DRS, instability in the Sahara and the Sahel reinforces Algiers leadership role in the Maghreb and discredits its enemies.
For years, Algerian officials have dismissed press reports contending the DRS role in creating and controlling certain terror groups in Algeria and the Sahel as mere Moroccan propaganda. Similarly, the Algerian press portrayed Professor Jeremy Keenan well-researched exposes documenting DRS manipulation of Islamist groups during and after the end of Algeria’s civil war as work of fiction. Mr. Keenan, a professor at the University of London, published several articles critical of the DRS dubious role in fighting terrorism in North Africa and the Sahel.
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One day DRS is crap another day it a genius —
2013-01-25 16:55
You must have gone completely wild! What is your source? Daily BEAST, ça s'invente pas comme dirait l'autre! One or two days ago you were writng about DRS as having failed in its mission and you a Maghzen propagandist, you were calling for a change of generation in DRS and APN, and today you imply that DRS staged the In Aminas terrorist attacks. All the world officials - Ben Kimoon, Obama, Clinton, CIA Head, Hollande, Cameron, just to name these - put the blame on terrorists and agreed with the way Algeria delat with the crisis and I can certainly understand that out of rage and grid you want to minimise Algerian success. By the way, where did you get that Daily Beast?
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Not again —
2013-01-25 17:37
On the other hand,all the western powers had nothing but praise for Algeria, and all the casualties were blamed on the terrorists. It was
You really had to dig hard to find an article that actually criticize Algeria, THe daily beast, come on Mr Masikey,you.can do better than that.
Let see.what the.actual pressand experts had to say about the matter not a website founded in....1998.
Algeria is a socialist country. When Algeria finally won independence from France in 1962 after an eight year war, the founders of the new state did not revive an indigenous form of government that had been displaced by more than a century of French colonial occupation. Instead they created a socialist republic modeled on France, but without the French. Echoing the Fifth Republic's liberté, égalité, fraternité, Algerians were free, they were equal, and they were brotherly. Despite the state's shortcomings over the last 50 years which are readily apparent to Algerians of all walks, this sense of equality is deeply engrained. No one Algerian was above another. As visitors to Algiers and other Algerian cities are quick to note, there are no shoeshine boys in Algeria -- no Algerian is expected to kneel at the feet of another. By extension, certainly no foreigner was above any Algerian."
huffingtonpost.com/.../...
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton testified before Congress today that there is "no doubt" that the terrorists who attacked a BP facility in eastern Algeria last week were armed with weapons that slipped out of Libya,"
abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=18293171&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dalgeria%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dchrome-mobile%26tbo%3Dd%26tbm%3Dnws%26ei%3DawIDUayvL5TY9ATtvYDoDg%26start%3D20%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D360%26bih%3D567
mr Masikey,remembe r when Algeria was.warning the whole world about th..future repercussions about Sarkozy war on Libya? I guess.we know who.was right.
"Only a few countries, including Britain, the United States and Algeria, have publicly stated their refusal to pay ransoms to terrorists. Other European nations have a much more ambiguous attitude, evidently paying to free their citizens without admitting to it. In France, “the authorities have never officially or publicly proscribed the paying of ransoms,” stated a French parliamentary report from last March.
The report cited an Algerian estimate that Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb had received up to $150 million in ransoms over the last decade, a number it said was probably too high. A separate analysis by Stratfor, a private firm, put the amount at nearly $90 million."
topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/al_qaeda_in_the_islamic_maghreb/index.html
I can go on and on.about western sources praising Algeria's no compromise policy toward terrorists but unfortunately, I am having to use my cellphone to post.this entry.
So dear Mr Masikey playing a.terrorist apologetic is not going to make "evil" Algeria look any worst.
Algeria fought terrorists back when their leaders were welcomed with open arms in the west.
You really had to dig hard to find an article that actually criticize Algeria, THe daily beast, come on Mr Masikey,you.can do better than that.
Let see.what the.actual pressand experts had to say about the matter not a website founded in....1998.
Algeria is a socialist country. When Algeria finally won independence from France in 1962 after an eight year war, the founders of the new state did not revive an indigenous form of government that had been displaced by more than a century of French colonial occupation. Instead they created a socialist republic modeled on France, but without the French. Echoing the Fifth Republic's liberté, égalité, fraternité, Algerians were free, they were equal, and they were brotherly. Despite the state's shortcomings over the last 50 years which are readily apparent to Algerians of all walks, this sense of equality is deeply engrained. No one Algerian was above another. As visitors to Algiers and other Algerian cities are quick to note, there are no shoeshine boys in Algeria -- no Algerian is expected to kneel at the feet of another. By extension, certainly no foreigner was above any Algerian."
huffingtonpost.com/.../...
Secretary of State Hillary Clinton testified before Congress today that there is "no doubt" that the terrorists who attacked a BP facility in eastern Algeria last week were armed with weapons that slipped out of Libya,"
abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=18293171&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dalgeria%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dchrome-mobile%26tbo%3Dd%26tbm%3Dnws%26ei%3DawIDUayvL5TY9ATtvYDoDg%26start%3D20%26sa%3DN%26biw%3D360%26bih%3D567
mr Masikey,remembe r when Algeria was.warning the whole world about th..future repercussions about Sarkozy war on Libya? I guess.we know who.was right.
"Only a few countries, including Britain, the United States and Algeria, have publicly stated their refusal to pay ransoms to terrorists. Other European nations have a much more ambiguous attitude, evidently paying to free their citizens without admitting to it. In France, “the authorities have never officially or publicly proscribed the paying of ransoms,” stated a French parliamentary report from last March.
The report cited an Algerian estimate that Al Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb had received up to $150 million in ransoms over the last decade, a number it said was probably too high. A separate analysis by Stratfor, a private firm, put the amount at nearly $90 million."
topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/organizations/a/al_qaeda_in_the_islamic_maghreb/index.html
I can go on and on.about western sources praising Algeria's no compromise policy toward terrorists but unfortunately, I am having to use my cellphone to post.this entry.
So dear Mr Masikey playing a.terrorist apologetic is not going to make "evil" Algeria look any worst.
Algeria fought terrorists back when their leaders were welcomed with open arms in the west.
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RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-25 22:16
There is already talk that the US is preparing to drone the Algerian Sahara. The Americans have decided to rely on their own intelligence instead of waiting for the Algerians to provide them with information about their hostages that never came, and instead they cause the death of the Americans and others hostages and called a "Heroic Act" .
Morocco will be a great candidate to host the base for the drones, we are friends for more than 200 years and if the Americans ask for help, we will oblige and we will not be shy about it, Not like the Algerians who allowed the French to use their air space and tried to hide it until Laurent Fabius the french foreign minister put Bouteflika on the spot. Their news media went as far as denying it and said that the French never used the Algerian air space, they used the Moroccan space instead.
Under his Majesty King M6, Morocco is doing an excellent job in the foreign arena.
Have you noticed that the Polisario and Algeria are now quiet and not attacking Morocco in their news media day and night?
Today A meeting of interior ministers from Morocco, France, Spain and Portugal was held in Rabat to strengthen cooperation between the departments of the four countries in many areas including security.
Morocco under his majesty is very serious about going after the terrorists, and we do not make secret deals with Ansar eddine, we kill them. We will quash them like bugs.
As a matter of fact Algeria should ask for our help as suggested by the previous US ambassador, instead of trying to do it alone or ask Niger and Burkina fasso for help
Here read :
csmonitor.com/.../...
Lastly, I really hope that Algeria beats Togo tomorrow, I want North Africa to be represented in the African cup until the end.
I am always rooting for Algeria except when they play against us.
One two three viva l'equip e d'algerie,
Morocco will be a great candidate to host the base for the drones, we are friends for more than 200 years and if the Americans ask for help, we will oblige and we will not be shy about it, Not like the Algerians who allowed the French to use their air space and tried to hide it until Laurent Fabius the french foreign minister put Bouteflika on the spot. Their news media went as far as denying it and said that the French never used the Algerian air space, they used the Moroccan space instead.
Under his Majesty King M6, Morocco is doing an excellent job in the foreign arena.
Have you noticed that the Polisario and Algeria are now quiet and not attacking Morocco in their news media day and night?
Today A meeting of interior ministers from Morocco, France, Spain and Portugal was held in Rabat to strengthen cooperation between the departments of the four countries in many areas including security.
Morocco under his majesty is very serious about going after the terrorists, and we do not make secret deals with Ansar eddine, we kill them. We will quash them like bugs.
As a matter of fact Algeria should ask for our help as suggested by the previous US ambassador, instead of trying to do it alone or ask Niger and Burkina fasso for help
Here read :
csmonitor.com/.../...
Lastly, I really hope that Algeria beats Togo tomorrow, I want North Africa to be represented in the African cup until the end.
I am always rooting for Algeria except when they play against us.
One two three viva l'equip e d'algerie,
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RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-25 22:47
Taliban and Al qaida would coomit act of terror and then hide in Pakitan, Terror groups in the sahara such as AQIM, Ansar Eddine supported by Algeria are now using the same tactics. Kill and behead innocents Malians and hide in the Algerian sahara, The Algerians thought that negotiating with Ansar eddine will keep then safe from error, little do they know that terrorists turn on each other and will not hesitate to turn on the Algerians.
The US is now readying their drones to to take over the Algerians skies, Algeria has done everything possible to keep foreign forces from fighting in Mali including befriending terrorists, and to get back at Morocco, and then they allowed the french to fly over Mali, big mistake, they opened Pandora's box. Drones, French troops, and terrorists are now roaming free at Algeria's gates, and what is Morocco doing?
Preparing the next influx of tourists to come enjoy the food, the sun, and the beach.
The US is now readying their drones to to take over the Algerians skies, Algeria has done everything possible to keep foreign forces from fighting in Mali including befriending terrorists, and to get back at Morocco, and then they allowed the french to fly over Mali, big mistake, they opened Pandora's box. Drones, French troops, and terrorists are now roaming free at Algeria's gates, and what is Morocco doing?
Preparing the next influx of tourists to come enjoy the food, the sun, and the beach.
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RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-25 23:43
You two you can debate each other so you can live in your fantasy land of algeria the beautiful. You guys are the real product of the soviet cold war,I recommend professional help,in another word real therapy with well known psychiatrist may be doctor Phil or Oprah.
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RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-26 09:42
As an avid reader of your material, I must admit I'm a little disappointed in reading this particular masterpiece of yours... As "Algerian" said, you really had to dig deep to find any probable dirt on Algeria... Your false accusation that Algeria is a willing sponsor of terrorism lacks any tangible substance -- rumors and assumptions are nothing more than just that -- ass umptions!
The Algerians dealt promptly, decisively and swiftly with the recent terrorists acts -- If that was just an act or a front for something else, then they should be worthy of an Oscar nomination!
The Algerians dealt promptly, decisively and swiftly with the recent terrorists acts -- If that was just an act or a front for something else, then they should be worthy of an Oscar nomination!
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RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-26 10:45
@riffi,
Not sure if you are a self hating Moroccan, but as far i am concern, you are d#$% right, Algeria is "the beautiful" Is it perfect, No . Is the gov. perfect, far from it.
So keep leaving in lala land .
A Psychiatrist needs to attend Medical school, complete that and then specialise in mental health and welfare.
Dr Phil never went to Medical school. As for Oprah being a psychiatrist... .No Comments.
@Isam
You said "As a matter of fact Algeria should ask for our help as suggested by the previous US ambassador, instead of trying to do it alone or ask Niger and Burkina fasso for help
Here read" from the link you posted, please note the final part of that article "Edward M. Gabriel is the former US ambassador to Morocco, 1997 to 2001, and advises the government of Morocco." In other words, a paid lobbyist.
You can hate on Algeria all you want but at the end of the day, We might not be perfect but we did stick o our guns and despite all the Western pressures, we did not negotiate with terrorists because the only good terrorist is a dead one. Dont take my word for it
"But the limits of Algeria’s cooperation with the United States were visible on Thursday when Algerian forces stormed the gas facility where Islamic extremists were holding dozens of American and other foreign hostages — an operation that a Pentagon official said was undertaken without consultation with the United States.
“The Algerians are jealous of their sovereignty, and that explains why they haven’t consulted with the Americans,” said Anouar Boukhars, an expert on North Africa at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “Their position is no negotiation with violent extremists.”
Obama administration officials have been reluctant to discuss the rescue mission, which Algerian officials acknowledged led to the death of some hostages. With an eye on Mali, however, America n officials made clear that they planned to continue nurturing the relationship with Algeria."
nytimes.com/.../...
With all due respect, compare that to another country that claimed to a territory to be its "Southern territories" only to agree to give half of it to Mauritania and finally agree to a cease fire with Polisario, that stipulated that Independence is an option.
Not sure if you are a self hating Moroccan, but as far i am concern, you are d#$% right, Algeria is "the beautiful" Is it perfect, No . Is the gov. perfect, far from it.
So keep leaving in lala land .
A Psychiatrist needs to attend Medical school, complete that and then specialise in mental health and welfare.
Dr Phil never went to Medical school. As for Oprah being a psychiatrist... .No Comments.
@Isam
You said "As a matter of fact Algeria should ask for our help as suggested by the previous US ambassador, instead of trying to do it alone or ask Niger and Burkina fasso for help
Here read" from the link you posted, please note the final part of that article "Edward M. Gabriel is the former US ambassador to Morocco, 1997 to 2001, and advises the government of Morocco." In other words, a paid lobbyist.
You can hate on Algeria all you want but at the end of the day, We might not be perfect but we did stick o our guns and despite all the Western pressures, we did not negotiate with terrorists because the only good terrorist is a dead one. Dont take my word for it
"But the limits of Algeria’s cooperation with the United States were visible on Thursday when Algerian forces stormed the gas facility where Islamic extremists were holding dozens of American and other foreign hostages — an operation that a Pentagon official said was undertaken without consultation with the United States.
“The Algerians are jealous of their sovereignty, and that explains why they haven’t consulted with the Americans,” said Anouar Boukhars, an expert on North Africa at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. “Their position is no negotiation with violent extremists.”
Obama administration officials have been reluctant to discuss the rescue mission, which Algerian officials acknowledged led to the death of some hostages. With an eye on Mali, however, America n officials made clear that they planned to continue nurturing the relationship with Algeria."
nytimes.com/.../...
With all due respect, compare that to another country that claimed to a territory to be its "Southern territories" only to agree to give half of it to Mauritania and finally agree to a cease fire with Polisario, that stipulated that Independence is an option.
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RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-26 11:34
Isam Morocco will be a great candidate to host the base for the drones,
Isam there are more than half dozen in Goulmim (morocco)Fore more than a year
Isam there are more than half dozen in Goulmim (morocco)Fore more than a year
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#9
Strange bedfellows. —
2013-01-26 15:16
Intelligence agencies throughout the world make deals with unsavory characters. It's the nature of the beast. But it would be far-fetched to suggest that the DRS knew of the attack in Algeria beforehand.
Did the DRS nurture some of the terror groups? maybe.In the words of the great Hillary Clinton : "You can't keep snakes in your backyard and expect it to only bite neighbours."
Did the DRS nurture some of the terror groups? maybe.In the words of the great Hillary Clinton : "You can't keep snakes in your backyard and expect it to only bite neighbours."
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RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-26 17:07
Suggesting Oprah and Dr. Phil for Algeria it was sarcastic from my part to show you how you are in denial,beautifu l in did Algeria is, I was there and I am serious.Gov/Mil itary is something you need to deal with as you wish,As the Man en Blanc said "In the words of the great Hillary Clinton : "You can't keep snakes in your backyard and expect it to only bite neighbours."Let's wait and see what the US and the European has for the El Mouradia and Military heads.Time will tell
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RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-26 17:12
Watching Algeria-Togo I was of course rooting for Algeria, all of a sudden I see the Algerian and Polisario flags side by side among the Algerian fans in the stadium. What a coward act!
Moroccans can get bad but will never do such a thing. How low can you people go? It's a soccer game for Allah sake.
Now you are packing, who has the last laugh?
Algerians with NIF are the first National team to be thrown out of CAN 2013.
So long Algeria go back to your polisario fans, go back to your Ansar Eddine fans, Bashar al assad fans, Soviet fans and tell them how big of a nif you have.
Moroccans can get bad but will never do such a thing. How low can you people go? It's a soccer game for Allah sake.
Now you are packing, who has the last laugh?
Algerians with NIF are the first National team to be thrown out of CAN 2013.
So long Algeria go back to your polisario fans, go back to your Ansar Eddine fans, Bashar al assad fans, Soviet fans and tell them how big of a nif you have.
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Tzair & Tzairia —
2013-01-26 17:30
If the Tzair DRS was trusted and effective why then France , Spain , Portugal and MOROCCO didnt invite it to their meeting in Rabat?!!!! because they do not trust Tzair. You guys just full of hot air and no one is taking you seriously . You still live in the soviet era . So as long as the Tzairia dont seek help for their inferiority complex that country has no hope & losing again to Togo doesnt help you guys
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RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-26 18:39
Funny how our Moroccan "brother"are celebrating our loss to Togo, which is a great team, compare that to The Cape verde:)
Well, i am still going to wish you good luck against S. AFRICA tomorrow:) because at the end of the day its just a game.
I dont have to resort to such techniques to get back at you, i can easily mop the floor with all your arguments (whenever you have one) without having to resort to insults or stereotypes as calling Algeria Tzair....etc.
As for inviting us to your meeting:)......:)
And yes, we do support Polisario, there is not a d@#$ thing you guys can do about it, just keep asking for the reopening of the borders:)
Well, i am still going to wish you good luck against S. AFRICA tomorrow:) because at the end of the day its just a game.
I dont have to resort to such techniques to get back at you, i can easily mop the floor with all your arguments (whenever you have one) without having to resort to insults or stereotypes as calling Algeria Tzair....etc.
As for inviting us to your meeting:)......:)
And yes, we do support Polisario, there is not a d@#$ thing you guys can do about it, just keep asking for the reopening of the borders:)
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For DZ Asking Hassan 4 proof- —
2013-01-26 20:19
Algeria Admits Mistakes in Standoff at Gas PlantBy THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
DAVOS, Switzerland (AP) — Algeria's foreign minister acknowledged that security forces made mistakes in a hostage crisis at a Saharan gas plant in which dozens of foreign workers were killed during Algerian military strikes.
Mourad Medelci also conceded that Algeria will need international help to fight terrorism. Algeria's decision to refuse foreign offers of aid in handling the crisis, and to send the military to fire on vehicles full of hostages, drew widespread international criticism.
"We are in the process of assessing our mistakes," Medelci told The Associated Press in an interview at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on Friday.
DAVOS, Switzerland (AP) — Algeria's foreign minister acknowledged that security forces made mistakes in a hostage crisis at a Saharan gas plant in which dozens of foreign workers were killed during Algerian military strikes.
Mourad Medelci also conceded that Algeria will need international help to fight terrorism. Algeria's decision to refuse foreign offers of aid in handling the crisis, and to send the military to fire on vehicles full of hostages, drew widespread international criticism.
"We are in the process of assessing our mistakes," Medelci told The Associated Press in an interview at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on Friday.
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RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-26 20:55
Do people read before they jump to conclusions? I wonder...
Hassan Massiky did never say that the DRS was involved in the hostage situation in In Amenas,.. he didn't say that directly, nor did he imply it in any way...
Now regarding the relations between the DRS and some of the terrorist groups, especially among the hardliners, that relation was related in many testimonies, most of which by Algerians... and that includes Mokhtar Belmokhtar, and many others who were even higher in those networks' hierarchy...
And you don't have to "dig deep", here is the video on the role of DRS in the killing of the monks of Tibhirine, by Canal +, but, what do they know...
www.youtube.com/.../
Hassan Massiky did never say that the DRS was involved in the hostage situation in In Amenas,.. he didn't say that directly, nor did he imply it in any way...
Now regarding the relations between the DRS and some of the terrorist groups, especially among the hardliners, that relation was related in many testimonies, most of which by Algerians... and that includes Mokhtar Belmokhtar, and many others who were even higher in those networks' hierarchy...
And you don't have to "dig deep", here is the video on the role of DRS in the killing of the monks of Tibhirine, by Canal +, but, what do they know...
www.youtube.com/.../
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RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-26 21:23
Reading comments from Algerians fans on Algerian newspapers, Hilarious, That's the only time they become reasonable and clearly see what their leadership is doing to them.
These people are drugged by the lies they are subjected to by their leaders and when they lose a soccer game, you see them waking up from their oblivion.
As for Morocco, If they get sent packing tomorrow, read my other comments, we simply do not have a great team and we do not pretend to have the number two African team.
We are work in progress and in 2015 CAN will take place in Morocco and then we will be ready to win the whole thing and if we don't, that's ok too we have other things to worry about.
As for your fans holding Polisario flags, next time, don't do it, as you can see you got cursed hahawahawahaha
These people are drugged by the lies they are subjected to by their leaders and when they lose a soccer game, you see them waking up from their oblivion.
As for Morocco, If they get sent packing tomorrow, read my other comments, we simply do not have a great team and we do not pretend to have the number two African team.
We are work in progress and in 2015 CAN will take place in Morocco and then we will be ready to win the whole thing and if we don't, that's ok too we have other things to worry about.
As for your fans holding Polisario flags, next time, don't do it, as you can see you got cursed hahawahawahaha
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RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-27 01:28
Posting from Boston where I'v just attended the 2,963th New Year of my Imazighen friends -- hosted by the Boston Amazigh Community. Very "interesting" event.
So, here I am, a Fassi from Casablanca , living in NY, hanging out with Imazighens !!!! What impressed me the most was that, at this event, there were Berber Entertainers from BOTH Morocco and Algeria!!!
Apparently, Berbers -- the original indigenous of North Africa, do not give a hoot about whether one is from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, or anywhere else in that region. My understating is that they have been oppressed for so long that "regional difference" didn't seem that important anymore!!!! They want to unite!!!!
I applaud them for their effort -- and sure do hope that their wisdom would trickle down to ALL of those who live in that region.
So, here I am, a Fassi from Casablanca , living in NY, hanging out with Imazighens !!!! What impressed me the most was that, at this event, there were Berber Entertainers from BOTH Morocco and Algeria!!!
Apparently, Berbers -- the original indigenous of North Africa, do not give a hoot about whether one is from Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, or anywhere else in that region. My understating is that they have been oppressed for so long that "regional difference" didn't seem that important anymore!!!! They want to unite!!!!
I applaud them for their effort -- and sure do hope that their wisdom would trickle down to ALL of those who live in that region.
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Tzair & Tzairia —
2013-01-27 04:55
@ Dzairi who clearly lives in denial , it was reported that when the French jets were fly over Tzair , the pilots could see many Tzairia waving banners like : Please help , Please Start with Mirdaia first , please colonise us again AND WELCONE HOME !!!!! and to inform you that Morocco did not LOSE to cape verde but Tzair did lose every match and Tzair borders are close with all it neighbours which make you the biggest prison in Africa . We really do feel sorry for you , Tzair is really all talks and no trousers. Regards from Tetouan
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RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-27 08:41
I want to know if it's a heroic act or coward abominable act killing innocent guest workers
Medelci said:
aljazeera.net/.../...
you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
Medelci said:
aljazeera.net/.../...
you ought to be ashamed of yourself.
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#20
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-27 13:59
To Algerians on this board, don't waste your time, its not worth it trust me. I've seen these types before, they hate you because you represent all that Morocco us not, a regional power, a country With balls, and a people who do not subjugate themselves to a king. look forward to the future and stay strong on your din and let the haters hate, it just means they care
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RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-27 14:02
It looks like morocco and Algeria will take the same plane back home.
Tunisia is next?
Tunisia is next?
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#22
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-28 12:19
Reading comments from the Algerians players, all you hear is " la honte, la honte, la honte".
These people are brainwashed with this NIF thing. What la honte is, is being brainwashed.
It's a st*#&$d soccer game, sometimes you lose sometimes you win. As a matter of fact the Algerians should not be ashamed, I watched both games and they were the better team. Instead they are Psyched and focused into thinking less of themselves and hence feeling ashamed.
That's what Morocco has to deal with on the diplomatic side.
For instance, they think of themselves as heros when killing hostages and terrorists and at the same time they are telling the world in Davos after being pressured to give real answers that they made mistakes and they need help.
It's no coincidence that Algeria and Morocco are at odds for more than 40 years, we are dealing with the Algerian flawed psychology and that is extremely hard to overcome.
Look at the ones who constantly come to Morocco board, they refuse to criticize their leaders, they see it as a shameful act and they would only do so in the "security" of their own blogs.
I want to say something bad about Morocco when dealing with the Algerians but frankly I do not see what to criticize.
The King of Morocco had extended the olive branch to Bouteflika on many occasions to start a new beginning but he refused. Bouteflika knows that making peace with Morocco will kill every leverage he has on his people. Morocco is an internal affair for the Algerians, they use it to keep feeding their Army generals the billions that are spent on themselves instead on on the people of Algeria.
For those of you who think that we might one day have peace with Algeria, I say, that would only happen if the Algerians take a matter into their own hands and to start with, prevent bouteflika from running the country like a domino for another 6 years in 2014.
Morocco should continue doing what it does best, looking forward the future, We might not be there yet but we will get there.
These people are brainwashed with this NIF thing. What la honte is, is being brainwashed.
It's a st*#&$d soccer game, sometimes you lose sometimes you win. As a matter of fact the Algerians should not be ashamed, I watched both games and they were the better team. Instead they are Psyched and focused into thinking less of themselves and hence feeling ashamed.
That's what Morocco has to deal with on the diplomatic side.
For instance, they think of themselves as heros when killing hostages and terrorists and at the same time they are telling the world in Davos after being pressured to give real answers that they made mistakes and they need help.
It's no coincidence that Algeria and Morocco are at odds for more than 40 years, we are dealing with the Algerian flawed psychology and that is extremely hard to overcome.
Look at the ones who constantly come to Morocco board, they refuse to criticize their leaders, they see it as a shameful act and they would only do so in the "security" of their own blogs.
I want to say something bad about Morocco when dealing with the Algerians but frankly I do not see what to criticize.
The King of Morocco had extended the olive branch to Bouteflika on many occasions to start a new beginning but he refused. Bouteflika knows that making peace with Morocco will kill every leverage he has on his people. Morocco is an internal affair for the Algerians, they use it to keep feeding their Army generals the billions that are spent on themselves instead on on the people of Algeria.
For those of you who think that we might one day have peace with Algeria, I say, that would only happen if the Algerians take a matter into their own hands and to start with, prevent bouteflika from running the country like a domino for another 6 years in 2014.
Morocco should continue doing what it does best, looking forward the future, We might not be there yet but we will get there.
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#23
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-28 12:37
Let me just add one thing.
A country's official news media APS has to say something about Morocco and the sahara EVERY SINGLE DAY is a enough proof that we are dealing with an psycho-obsessed entity.
They don't understand that what they are doing is not helping them much, and will only strengthen the will of ALL Moroccans.
Moroccans might disagree on should or should not be their leader but one thing they agree on, they will no relinquish an millimeter of the Sahara.
The Algerian problem is the Alaouite monarchy since Boumediane, instead they are going after the wrong target: The Moroccan people.
It simply would not work.
A country's official news media APS has to say something about Morocco and the sahara EVERY SINGLE DAY is a enough proof that we are dealing with an psycho-obsessed entity.
They don't understand that what they are doing is not helping them much, and will only strengthen the will of ALL Moroccans.
Moroccans might disagree on should or should not be their leader but one thing they agree on, they will no relinquish an millimeter of the Sahara.
The Algerian problem is the Alaouite monarchy since Boumediane, instead they are going after the wrong target: The Moroccan people.
It simply would not work.
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#24
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-28 13:33
@Isam dude look at you, your doing the exact same things that you are blaming Algerians for doing. Not once did we mention a soccer game or our nif. Our soldiers did what needed to be done and last I recall you were the one who was talking about how awesome your king is, give it a break, why are you so obsessed with us dude? this is what we have to deal with, a head ache, every time we try to deal with our affairs we have constant bickering from you and your Moroccan friends, Algeria this Algeria that, for the love of God look at YOUR nation, colonized from the north, over taken from the south, no freedom of speach, parliamentarian s being beaten, women marrying off at 14, rape victims being forced to marry their attackers, weak parliament no head of state to be voted on. You attack Algeria using subjective arguments well here are some facts that you can chew on: 1: even without gas and oil Algeria produces a larger economy than Morocco, 2: Algeria has a higher HDI index, a higher standard of living, higher literacy rate, more universities, and on the new list created by the Human Rights Watch Algeria is the best country in the Maghreb to live in for a future ranked 55th worldwide while Morocco is in the 80s. Military we out spend Morocco by 5 times, education we outspend 10 times, industry 5 times, and we export more in non-oil products than Morocco does. So seriously, give it a break, we support the Western Sahara not because we hate you but because we realize that if you overtook it you would start asking for our Tindouf and Bechar provinces which you CAN NOT have. sheesh, everytime I search Algeria on google this stupid website with all its idiots pops up
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#25
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-28 14:42
@Isam -- Your Psychoanalysis of the Algerian mindset reminded me of an Old Russian Fable... It's about two Peasants, Ivan and Boris - Read: Morocco & Algeria. Please allow me to share it with you:
Two poor peasants, Ivan and Boris, had so much in comment -- except that Boris had a goat and Ivan didn’t. (Algeria has Oil and Morocco doesn't). One day, Ivan came upon a strange-looking lamp and, when he rubbed it, a genie appeared and told him that she could grant him ANYTHING in the world -- but it could ONLY be ONE wish!!!
Ivan's immediate AND foolish response was: “I want Boris’s goat to die.”
I -- and MANY other Moroccans do not want "Boris's goat" to die!
Two poor peasants, Ivan and Boris, had so much in comment -- except that Boris had a goat and Ivan didn’t. (Algeria has Oil and Morocco doesn't). One day, Ivan came upon a strange-looking lamp and, when he rubbed it, a genie appeared and told him that she could grant him ANYTHING in the world -- but it could ONLY be ONE wish!!!
Ivan's immediate AND foolish response was: “I want Boris’s goat to die.”
I -- and MANY other Moroccans do not want "Boris's goat" to die!
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#26
Tzair & Tzairia —
2013-01-28 16:26
@ Tzairi who said Tzair economy excluding oil & gas is still much larger that the Moroccan one!!!! How ?!!!! We all know that Tzair import everything and export just oil & gaz !!! So where is this big economy? so may be you including your big export the HARAGA .As for the arms buying , well that is another stupid thing you doing , example , you buy 100 Russian jet planes , morocco just buy 10 but lot better and this goes for everything you buy !!! did you ever heard about the proverb souk al nisaa , Ya dakhil etc
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#27
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-28 20:55
Aziz el alami,
Bragging about your little trip to Boston and how harmonious Moroccan and Algerian Amazighs to each other is like saying how nice the Germans to the Jews in Today's Germany.
Wash hadak wajhak oula gfak?
Every time someone comes up with a good idea there is always a Fassi 7azzaqi out there who likes to quash it. They want to be the center of attention always.
Fassa are the root of all evil in Morocco, they took over everything, If I were you, I would just zip it and don't try to be the one who coexist with all. Everyone in Morocco knows that Fassa know only fassa.
Bragging about your little trip to Boston and how harmonious Moroccan and Algerian Amazighs to each other is like saying how nice the Germans to the Jews in Today's Germany.
Wash hadak wajhak oula gfak?
Every time someone comes up with a good idea there is always a Fassi 7azzaqi out there who likes to quash it. They want to be the center of attention always.
Fassa are the root of all evil in Morocco, they took over everything, If I were you, I would just zip it and don't try to be the one who coexist with all. Everyone in Morocco knows that Fassa know only fassa.
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#28
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-28 22:17
@hass, Algeria's G.D.P Excluding Oil and Gas reach $186.9 Billion while Morocco's whole GDP is $160.0 Billion. As for what we export, here is a link, you can see for yourself.
www.skyscrapercity.com/.../
And I'd love to see your little F-16's take on our Su-30's anyday of the week, lets see what you got ya magharbi. As for Haraga, here is another link
demainonline.com/.../...
now go back to bowing to your king and stay quiet
www.skyscrapercity.com/.../
And I'd love to see your little F-16's take on our Su-30's anyday of the week, lets see what you got ya magharbi. As for Haraga, here is another link
demainonline.com/.../...
now go back to bowing to your king and stay quiet
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#29
Regarding the Fable... —
2013-01-28 23:39
I would be the first one to wish the goat to die if all I get from it is its bleating all night... while its milk is benefiting to none of us...
More important, those who claim to be Moroccan, Ya hassrah, and perceive that the problem between Morocco and Algeria, can be summarized as one nation envious of another nation's wealth of resources, just show how disconnected they are from their own people...
The problem Morocco has to face, is that our neighbors are putting all their efforts to bother us, Moroccans, and destabilize our nation's unity... it's that simple..
And by the way, regarding the article, Mr Hassan Massiky never made assumptions, the relations between the DRS and Islamist militants have been the subject of numerous articles and investigations, and I am hoping one day I'll meet "physically" an Algerian who will deny it, only the guys on morocco board refute the mere thought of it, generally Algerians, but sometimes some lost Moroccan goats as well...
More important, those who claim to be Moroccan, Ya hassrah, and perceive that the problem between Morocco and Algeria, can be summarized as one nation envious of another nation's wealth of resources, just show how disconnected they are from their own people...
The problem Morocco has to face, is that our neighbors are putting all their efforts to bother us, Moroccans, and destabilize our nation's unity... it's that simple..
And by the way, regarding the article, Mr Hassan Massiky never made assumptions, the relations between the DRS and Islamist militants have been the subject of numerous articles and investigations, and I am hoping one day I'll meet "physically" an Algerian who will deny it, only the guys on morocco board refute the mere thought of it, generally Algerians, but sometimes some lost Moroccan goats as well...
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#30
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-28 23:59
Our beloved Algerian are studying economics in Algiers sorry in DRS school and also confusing dollar with dinar and the soviet rouble
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#31
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-29 00:18
Isam -- My apologies, I sincerely thought for a minute that you were worthy of an intelligent conversation. I was clearly mistaking.
My initial reaction was to ignore you you completely... But I thought better of it and I thought about engaging you in a thing or two -- for your own good!!!!!
-A- My post about Boston had NOTHING to do with bragging -- I will BRAG NOW and tell you that I have been to more places that you can't even spell.
-B- My point, which you've miserably missed, was simply that I had admired how Imazighen -- I'm not going to save you time and explain to you what that means -- do have a HIGHER VISION. You and the rest of them punks out there could keep on bickering.
-C- Algeria and the Algerians are NOT the enemy (sorry Morelli -- I know you believe otherwise). They are just like us on so many levels! Your thoughts are clearly obscured by your irrational and unfounded hatred for them.
-D- As for Fassa being the root Evil of all Morocco -- all I can say, and I'm giving a good advice here, it is nothing more than a defeatist belief. LOSERS, always find somebody else to blame.
-E- In regards to you attacking me personally, the best you could come with is Hazak? Really? You couldn't think of any rebuttal but resorting to infantile name calling? I pity you!
My initial reaction was to ignore you you completely... But I thought better of it and I thought about engaging you in a thing or two -- for your own good!!!!!
-A- My post about Boston had NOTHING to do with bragging -- I will BRAG NOW and tell you that I have been to more places that you can't even spell.
-B- My point, which you've miserably missed, was simply that I had admired how Imazighen -- I'm not going to save you time and explain to you what that means -- do have a HIGHER VISION. You and the rest of them punks out there could keep on bickering.
-C- Algeria and the Algerians are NOT the enemy (sorry Morelli -- I know you believe otherwise). They are just like us on so many levels! Your thoughts are clearly obscured by your irrational and unfounded hatred for them.
-D- As for Fassa being the root Evil of all Morocco -- all I can say, and I'm giving a good advice here, it is nothing more than a defeatist belief. LOSERS, always find somebody else to blame.
-E- In regards to you attacking me personally, the best you could come with is Hazak? Really? You couldn't think of any rebuttal but resorting to infantile name calling? I pity you!
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#32
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-29 03:44
@Harass, oh my beloved Moroccan (since I guess we're being dramatic now) please check sites such as cia world fact book, human rights watch, or simply if you'd like, wikipedia and you will see that I actually study at a higher education level than most of you Moroccans here do. In fact here is what I know, when I go to Algeria and speak ill of the D.R.S (who is a fake elephant who's power died away long ago but I guess you Moroccans need to cling to something to make an enemy and insult Algeria with) and when I disagree with the Algerian president or prime minister I am not afraid of being picked up at night or beaten by a police man. Now here is my suggestion to you, and again this is just a suggestion: Ask your beloved king to bring his all powerful military and reclaim the western sahara, please do, sign petitions, make calls, even have an internet blog that gathers all Moroccans. And then maybe go after Melilla and Ceuta. After that maybe even go far enough to stop bowing to the king. I'll give it a timeline of around 50 years, good luck!
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#33
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-29 07:52
@Hass, its called freedom of speech, last I checked it was Morocco that allowed western powers to pillage its resources and scour its lands as they will not us Algerians who have preferred to do things our own way just as a regional power should. Upper hand? what upper hand? we beat you in all categories as I've shown and we always out smart you politically, we play you guys around like your little boys. Get a grip and look at the truth and stop living a lie, TZAIR as you say nahatalom saroualkom
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#34
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-29 08:14
Engaging me for my own good? well guess what. That's is typical fassi mentality, they always do things for someone else good, they always start with their lame farce, that they are here to help us.
You are so Algerian lover, isn't your grand father Allal lfassi who wants to take over Algeria? Mauritania,? and go as far as Senegal?
That's called the hidden invisible greed and you my friend remind me the Jews in Palestine, they came to the holy land and start buying properties and land from the poor Palestinians and when they got enough men - even imported jews from Ethiopia- and power they kicked the Palestinians out.
I am not asking the Algerians to surrender Algeria as you grand father did, all .am asking is from the Algerians is: If they are who they say they are, then let the UN take care of the conflict "between Morocco an the Polisario". Don't get involved and don't expect us to be quiet when we hare being massacred every day in their new media.
Guess what? Algerians would actually agree with me and would worry about your someone like you wanting to take over a quarter of Africa.
Next time you want to make a name for yourself by "engaging" me, or try to be funny on someone else back, I would think again, I know you people, and I don't even have to capitalize the text as you did.
Here is something for you, you think the Algerians are right holding Morocco hostage for 40 years, forcing us to spend our money on weapons instead of on schools, hospitals, or even parks for children, talk to the other dude here,why me?
You have more in common with him. I am not going to change my mind until the old ancient Algerian leadership is gone.
Now take care yourself and get ready for your next sales pitch somewhere where I cannot even spell the name. I however love the serenity of my couch watching my 2 Frenchy dogs taking a nap.
You are so Algerian lover, isn't your grand father Allal lfassi who wants to take over Algeria? Mauritania,? and go as far as Senegal?
That's called the hidden invisible greed and you my friend remind me the Jews in Palestine, they came to the holy land and start buying properties and land from the poor Palestinians and when they got enough men - even imported jews from Ethiopia- and power they kicked the Palestinians out.
I am not asking the Algerians to surrender Algeria as you grand father did, all .am asking is from the Algerians is: If they are who they say they are, then let the UN take care of the conflict "between Morocco an the Polisario". Don't get involved and don't expect us to be quiet when we hare being massacred every day in their new media.
Guess what? Algerians would actually agree with me and would worry about your someone like you wanting to take over a quarter of Africa.
Next time you want to make a name for yourself by "engaging" me, or try to be funny on someone else back, I would think again, I know you people, and I don't even have to capitalize the text as you did.
Here is something for you, you think the Algerians are right holding Morocco hostage for 40 years, forcing us to spend our money on weapons instead of on schools, hospitals, or even parks for children, talk to the other dude here,why me?
You have more in common with him. I am not going to change my mind until the old ancient Algerian leadership is gone.
Now take care yourself and get ready for your next sales pitch somewhere where I cannot even spell the name. I however love the serenity of my couch watching my 2 Frenchy dogs taking a nap.
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#35
TZAIR & TZAIRIA —
2013-01-29 14:22
@ Tzairi , your brothers were bowing and kissing the hand of Mr Hollande ( do not deny it , the whole world saw it ). Trust me we do not care about you lot or your Tzair . Super power!!!! just because you keep wasting your money buying Old Russian junk made you thing you now a super power!!!! like i said before Morocco buys quality and you buy quantity !!! to be a superpower you need to make your own weapons . Now i had enough of you lot so go hug a tree or play on the road
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#37
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-29 19:04
Like I said its freedom of speech, the man kissed his hand, good for him, in Morocco you bow to your king out of force not choice now listen here: Algeria does build its own weapons and don't talk to me about quality stupid Moroccan, 2nd grade F-16s built in the 70's don't compare to 5th generation Yak-150s, Su-35s, Su-35, Mig-29s and Algeria's own El-Fadjr Drone and other Algerian made drone. I'll send you another link but since facts don't mean anything in Morocco land I guess it won't make a difference to you
www.skyscrapercity.com/.../
www.skyscrapercity.com/.../
We have 2 nuclear reactors strictly for military use and we have a true democracy, we vote for a head of state, and government, we have anti-corruption units, and we have freedom of speech, just our proxy-militias alone have split your nation into two. Our Armed Forces is larger and more trained, we spend 10x more than you on not Just Russian but German, Japanese, English, and U.S technology and we are developing an industry, something 3amo Moh sis can't do with a literacy rate lower than 60%
www.skyscrapercity.com/.../
www.skyscrapercity.com/.../
We have 2 nuclear reactors strictly for military use and we have a true democracy, we vote for a head of state, and government, we have anti-corruption units, and we have freedom of speech, just our proxy-militias alone have split your nation into two. Our Armed Forces is larger and more trained, we spend 10x more than you on not Just Russian but German, Japanese, English, and U.S technology and we are developing an industry, something 3amo Moh sis can't do with a literacy rate lower than 60%
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#38
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-29 20:12
. m.youtube.com/.../...,
When it comes to.hand kissing, we all know who.has that problem.
that goes.from.the.a nnual بيعه to a bunch of "men" kissing a 7 years old.
With all due respect, kissing hands.is the exception in Algeria and the rule in Morocco
.
When it comes to.hand kissing, we all know who.has that problem.
that goes.from.the.a nnual بيعه to a bunch of "men" kissing a 7 years old.
With all due respect, kissing hands.is the exception in Algeria and the rule in Morocco
.
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#39
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-29 23:38
I know a lot of tactics of the DRS using moroccan names in other blogs to bash morocco like for example names like mansouri,Alami, mdaghri etc.all what I can tell you is that the junta and their cronies are running out of the hat tricks. For example before the mali crisis they made believe and made the West state that algeria is the regional power, the world's leading power in fighting terrorism blablabla,but now with their amateur action of so call unspecial forces slaughtering civilians they've been cut with their pans down not a pretty picture. The thing they didn't know the US and the West trapped them very nicely to show them that they are no regional power but nothing but a banana republic,furthe rmore their little pup medelci went in front of the cameras in Davos a tail between his legs telling the whole world their army made some mistakes and they need help.what finale. The next step for algeria the picture looks very sad, if they think their civil war of the nineties was bad the one who is about to start will make it look like a day in disneyland
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#40
to Dziri Algerian and the others... —
2013-01-30 00:34
You shame your country by your nicknames and your sky CRAP links...
You shame also the "higher education" you claim to have or pursue, with let's say "less than smart" comments..
I am not even going to bother discussing economics with someone who drops on us something like, I don't know, the "GDP of Algeria Excluding Oil and Gas reach $186.9 Billion"... really, how did you come up with that figure? and in case you missed the point, that was not a question...
I am not going to debate someone who insists on ignoring the truth about the DRS, here is the link, it's a nice investigative work by canal plus:
www.youtube.com/.../
I am not going to debate someone who keeps bringing in those 11 years kid discussions about their army's flying toys, maybe the money you wasted on that weaponry could have been more productive if it was spent on your own people... making it difficult for the terrorist groups to hire you like "des petits pains"... maybe you should look for your enemies inside your borders, just like in the 50s, when it was FLN against harkis...
We are used to having Algerians debate us on this forum, but this time around, the level has sunk so low... thanks to you two...
Finally, and going back to the basics, Mr Hassan Massiky did not say that the DRS organized the In Amenas, he only says that many countries are starting to review your "terrorism politics"... you can call him a conspiracy theorist if you want, but you also have the testimony of a former president, Chadli Benjdid, and the corpse of another President, Boudiaf, that indicate otherwise...
You shame also the "higher education" you claim to have or pursue, with let's say "less than smart" comments..
I am not even going to bother discussing economics with someone who drops on us something like, I don't know, the "GDP of Algeria Excluding Oil and Gas reach $186.9 Billion"... really, how did you come up with that figure? and in case you missed the point, that was not a question...
I am not going to debate someone who insists on ignoring the truth about the DRS, here is the link, it's a nice investigative work by canal plus:
www.youtube.com/.../
I am not going to debate someone who keeps bringing in those 11 years kid discussions about their army's flying toys, maybe the money you wasted on that weaponry could have been more productive if it was spent on your own people... making it difficult for the terrorist groups to hire you like "des petits pains"... maybe you should look for your enemies inside your borders, just like in the 50s, when it was FLN against harkis...
We are used to having Algerians debate us on this forum, but this time around, the level has sunk so low... thanks to you two...
Finally, and going back to the basics, Mr Hassan Massiky did not say that the DRS organized the In Amenas, he only says that many countries are starting to review your "terrorism politics"... you can call him a conspiracy theorist if you want, but you also have the testimony of a former president, Chadli Benjdid, and the corpse of another President, Boudiaf, that indicate otherwise...
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#41
Tzait & Tzairia episode 5 —
2013-01-30 08:10
Trying to engage in a civilized debate with a Tzairi is complete waste of time , these guys have been brain washed since year 2. And they are masters of hypocrisy in fact hypocrisy is Tzair national pride & joy . they even have got a competition like Xfactor to win the best hypocrite . So it is fine kissing and bowing to Mr Hollande!!! and his girlfriend!!!! as for the Russian junk we still do remember when Tzair had to return most of it because it was just JUNK ( and do not deny it, we all know the story ). I am sure these Tzairia do work for DRS , because from what they type it sound like it came for the Mirdaya Propaganda machine , so they are just Parrots Parr Parr Parr Morocco bad Moroccco bad etc
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#42
Tzait & Tzairia episode 6 —
2013-01-30 08:13
If Tzair is a regional superpower why then can Not come and take the sahara from Morocco? why Tzair has to tide behind the Polizibal? . come on , come and get it boy or Tzair is just talks & no trousers
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#43
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-30 09:30
@riffi, we summoned PM Cameron to come to Algeria to consult him on a short notice and you tell me that we aren't the regional power? If we weren't a regional power we would be scolded by the west and they would have set up shop in our sahara, but unlike a certain other nation we don't allow others to steal half our country. The west stays quiet and so does your itty bitty King.
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#44
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-30 10:34
@Haras@Hass,
Are you guys losing your cool?
Instead of resorting to insults and name calling:) You should try to use facts and stats to prove us wrong,because the the use of insults and personal attacks are not going to make your argument more believable, it just shows your level of sophistication:)
In other words, we do not have to resort to insults to make you look bad, because we can mop the floor with your arguments, just by using some good old .......facts:)
Are you guys losing your cool?
Instead of resorting to insults and name calling:) You should try to use facts and stats to prove us wrong,because the the use of insults and personal attacks are not going to make your argument more believable, it just shows your level of sophistication:)
In other words, we do not have to resort to insults to make you look bad, because we can mop the floor with your arguments, just by using some good old .......facts:)
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#45
Tzair & Tzairia episode 7 —
2013-01-30 14:09
@TZairi parrot, your facts are like farts and obviously you work as a cleaner ( keep mentioning mopping the floor ), as for the British prime minister visiting Tzair ( according to you Because Tzair a superpower!!!) in fact Mr Cameron is visiting you because your oil & gaz are owned by BP and this is his main reason for coming. As for Tzair Military being super strong you just farted again and your bosses in DRS didnt mention to you that every year Morocco does a huge military exercise ( war games ) with the US army , and to be able to do this you need a quality gear not the Russian crap you got in storage . So keep mopping the floor is better for you than working for DRS and before i go Tzair just admitted that they have realized they do not know much about Morocco so they will start to recruit more parrots
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#46
RE: Algeria: Intelligence Agency's Dubious Role In Fighting Terrorism —
2013-01-30 20:05
"you work as a cleaner" what a backwards insult, proves how forward Moroccans are now a days, add fire the western Sahara why would we attack it? Its not ours and we never claimed it, in fact you're the ones who claim bechar and tindouf are yours why don't you come get those? We dare you
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| Nass El Ghiwane Film: "Trances" Sun May 19 @ 5:00PM |
| Film Screening: Tinghir- Jerusalem Wed May 29 @ 6:30PM |
| conference: Morocco’s Rule of Law Reforms @ GWU Sun Jun 02 @10:00AM |
| Moroccan Kaftan Gala in Orlando Thu Jun 06 @ 3:00PM |
| ADC Convention, DC Thu Jun 13 @ 8:00AM |
| IBN Academy Summer Camp Mon Jun 24 @ 8:00AM |
| Moroccan Play In NYC, DC Fri Jun 28 @ 7:00PM |
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