Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance
- HASSAN MASIKY
- 01/30/13
Washington / Morocco News Board---As French troops solidify their military control on the historic city of Timbuktu in Northern Mali, the 20th bi-annual summit of the African Union leaders closes its session without major accomplishments. Unable to reach consensus on resolutions to the major conflicts bedeviling the African continent, African heads of states have proven, once again, the irrelevance of their Pan African organization.
The Addis Ababa meeting failed to deliver African solutions to numerous African conflicts. While the war in Mali and the critical security situation in Eastern Democratic Republic of the Congo (DRC) were present during the deliberations, the summit final communiqué did not offer resolutions to these pressing and monumental crises. Such mediocre performance reinforces the AU’s image as a powerless and insignificant continental organization.
Even though some African leaders decried their own slow response to the Malian crisis, few diplomats dared to address the underlying roots of the violence in the Sahel. Not to embarrass the regional powerhouse Algeria and rattle the Malian military, the AU avoided tackling the Tuareg self-determination question.
In fact, South Africa’s Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, the AU president, did a good job shying away from divisive issues such as Rwanda’s’ muddling in the DRC, the Algeria-Moroccan conflict over the Western Sahara, the two Sudan outstanding security problems, Mozambique’s dreadful human rights s and of course the ramifications of the French intervention in Mali.
If political courage was absent during the Addis Ababa summit, political Clientelism and regional rivalries were omnipresent in the hall of this disappointing meeting. The South African-Nigerian contention for Africa’s” leadership position” caused, partially, this gathering’s poor showing.
In the midst of this display of diplomatic impotence, the Algeria-South Africa duo dared to present to the summit a proposal to move the Western Sahara dossier form the United Nation’s jurisdiction to the African Union’s.
The fact that the AU attempted and flopped to resolve conflicts in Libya, Ivory Coast, the DRC and Mali makes the Algerian- South African stunt laughable and pitiful. South Africa under President Zuma continues to play a divisive and controversial role on the African continent.
Aside from its usual anti-Morocco maneuvers, Algeria was noticeable quiet in Addis Ababa. Ordinarily hyperactive during AU summits, Algerian diplomats, still reeling from the dramatic terrorist attack in In Amenas and the embarrassment of French troops at their doorsteps, stayed away from the limelight. After months of opposing French intervention in Mali, the “progressive and revolutionary” Algeria accepted France use of its air space to attack targets in Mali.
Images of Timbuktu residents jubilantly waving French flags and erupting in joy as the French-led troops entered the town, must be hard to swallow for African leaders many of whom after months of meetings had to depend on the former colonial power to intervene and solve a purely African quarrel.
The success of French military action in Mali would just move the problem of terrorism and smuggling to neighboring nations such as Algeria, Niger and Mauritania. The AU’s failure to resolve the Touareg demands, instead squandering time and energy addressing pet projects of some African leaders, will further destabilize the Sahel and Sahara region and invite European powers to intervene ,once more, in Africa’s internal affairs.
The Addis Ababa summit is another missed opportunity to revive “Pan-Africanism and African Renaissance.” The meeting ended short of major breakthroughs, whereas Africans quest for peace, security and prosperity endures.
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#1
Algeria's Obsession with Morocco —
2013-01-30 13:47
To Algerian and Co. : Before you start bashing Hassan Masiky, I suggest you read the article first. Note that Algeria policy Morocco to bother, as seen here in the article, that is at the origin of all this back and forth. SO no need to complain about Hassan’s writings go cry to your DRS !!
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#2
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-01-30 14:02
@Morocco101, trust me, Moroccans being whiny and crying about how Algeria is mean to them doesn't bother us too much
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#3
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-01-30 14:41
" the Algeria-Morocca n conflict over the Western Sahara"
Well, according to the UN. The Western Sahara is the last remaining colony in Africa.
If its an Algerian Moroccan conflicts, how come you guys signed a cease fire with Polisario, a cease fire that stipulated that independence is an option, and don't remember seeing Algeria's signature on that document. How about the Manhasset I, II, III and IV were they between Algeria and Morocco?
The thing is that you guys can not have it both ways, if you guys
wanted that land you should have fought for it harder, should never accepted a cease fire, should have never gave half of it to Mauritania, should have never built a wall to hide behind it......well hell, you shuold have started a war with Algeria to punish it for its support, so dear sir, try to get your fact straight before posting such......things.
As for the Mali Issue, Mali is a sovereign nation and if they feel the need to get France to help them, well more power to them.
As for Algeria, like the whole world noticed, we do not negotiate with terrorists and we do not bow to foreign pressures as you must have notices.
As for the African union, you shouyld be ashamed to use that two words expression, since The African union represents the biggest slap the Moroccan diplomacy ever got:)
Well, according to the UN. The Western Sahara is the last remaining colony in Africa.
If its an Algerian Moroccan conflicts, how come you guys signed a cease fire with Polisario, a cease fire that stipulated that independence is an option, and don't remember seeing Algeria's signature on that document. How about the Manhasset I, II, III and IV were they between Algeria and Morocco?
The thing is that you guys can not have it both ways, if you guys
wanted that land you should have fought for it harder, should never accepted a cease fire, should have never gave half of it to Mauritania, should have never built a wall to hide behind it......well hell, you shuold have started a war with Algeria to punish it for its support, so dear sir, try to get your fact straight before posting such......things.
As for the Mali Issue, Mali is a sovereign nation and if they feel the need to get France to help them, well more power to them.
As for Algeria, like the whole world noticed, we do not negotiate with terrorists and we do not bow to foreign pressures as you must have notices.
As for the African union, you shouyld be ashamed to use that two words expression, since The African union represents the biggest slap the Moroccan diplomacy ever got:)
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#4
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-01-30 15:02
Dear Mr. Hassan,
First thing first. When was the last time the OUA or AU solved anything? It would be naive to think that Africa has any power or will to do anything constructive. Hassan II bless his soul in African matters used to take care of business by simply inviting African dictators to a nice seaside dinner and hand out few scholarships and problem is solved.
Africa has always been corrupt and still is. Just because some have an elected government, it does not mean that democracy has taken root. Mali had an elected government, Mauritania, Ivory coast,even Kenya and South Africa, they are the most corrupt is Africa, Kenyans have to kill each other with machetes just to have a president in place.
Zuma was caught building mansions with People's money for his very extended families and teenage concubines and he is still leading that country.
When M6 came to power, He visited several African countries hoping that Africa has changed, to his dismay, he found the same thieves still running Africa to the ground. He skillfully directed his attention to Europe and to the middle east. Morocco was able to attract several investors from these rich entities but still send the foreign minister to all African meetings to limit the Algerian lobbies in the halls of Africa.
Morocco had supported France intervention in Mali and perhaps allowed the French air force to fly over Morocco as some have speculated. We are friends and when friends ask friends, friends oblige, we don't embarrassingly kiss their president's hands.
Let those poor Algerian use their oil money to lobby African dictators, we will continue to work with Europe and rich middle east. The royals in GCC just handed Morocco 5 billion dollars for the next 5 years, Europe is financing many many projects in Morocco, We have many agreement with the US.
Sometimes we are rightfully hard on Morocco but compare for yourself, we are much better off.
I have a little homework for you all including our Algerian rubbish.
Google the word "Moroccan" and click on images.
Google the word "Algerian" and click on images.
After you do that, come back here and tell us where you rather be today.
First thing first. When was the last time the OUA or AU solved anything? It would be naive to think that Africa has any power or will to do anything constructive. Hassan II bless his soul in African matters used to take care of business by simply inviting African dictators to a nice seaside dinner and hand out few scholarships and problem is solved.
Africa has always been corrupt and still is. Just because some have an elected government, it does not mean that democracy has taken root. Mali had an elected government, Mauritania, Ivory coast,even Kenya and South Africa, they are the most corrupt is Africa, Kenyans have to kill each other with machetes just to have a president in place.
Zuma was caught building mansions with People's money for his very extended families and teenage concubines and he is still leading that country.
When M6 came to power, He visited several African countries hoping that Africa has changed, to his dismay, he found the same thieves still running Africa to the ground. He skillfully directed his attention to Europe and to the middle east. Morocco was able to attract several investors from these rich entities but still send the foreign minister to all African meetings to limit the Algerian lobbies in the halls of Africa.
Morocco had supported France intervention in Mali and perhaps allowed the French air force to fly over Morocco as some have speculated. We are friends and when friends ask friends, friends oblige, we don't embarrassingly kiss their president's hands.
Let those poor Algerian use their oil money to lobby African dictators, we will continue to work with Europe and rich middle east. The royals in GCC just handed Morocco 5 billion dollars for the next 5 years, Europe is financing many many projects in Morocco, We have many agreement with the US.
Sometimes we are rightfully hard on Morocco but compare for yourself, we are much better off.
I have a little homework for you all including our Algerian rubbish.
Google the word "Moroccan" and click on images.
Google the word "Algerian" and click on images.
After you do that, come back here and tell us where you rather be today.
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#5
to Algerian —
2013-01-30 15:45
"according to the UN", it's a lie, you know it....
You've been saying that since the 70s, how many Presidents have died since then, and we're still there...
How many Algerians were beheaded by other Algerians, and we're still there...
How many Ben Talha and In Amenas have passed by, and we're still there...
By the way, why are you on a Moroccan website, all day long??? it looks to me like a Full Time job
You've been saying that since the 70s, how many Presidents have died since then, and we're still there...
How many Algerians were beheaded by other Algerians, and we're still there...
How many Ben Talha and In Amenas have passed by, and we're still there...
By the way, why are you on a Moroccan website, all day long??? it looks to me like a Full Time job
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#6
Please believe me —
2013-01-30 16:22
Neocolonialism is the word. Don't be afraid to utter it. Algeria and South Africa are the pillars which most suffered from colonialism and thanks to their heroic fight are entitled to lead the continent against its sneaking return. Guess who are the African traitors who are themselves colonialists and do their utmost to pave the way to the French, Israelis and the Americans? Excluded from this description my dear brothers in faith, honour and courage - there are millions of them.
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#7
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-01-30 20:12
Algeria gets what she deserves.
This is just the beginning,
I"ll say to Algeria,don't co-operate with terrorists,
the south will be Hell,
For many Years they let so many Africans roaming the Desert,
Entering Morocco from the South-East, thru Algeria to Oujda & into Melilla,
This is just the beginning,
I"ll say to Algeria,don't co-operate with terrorists,
the south will be Hell,
For many Years they let so many Africans roaming the Desert,
Entering Morocco from the South-East, thru Algeria to Oujda & into Melilla,
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#8
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-01-31 00:13
The DRS is working hard lately.one thing for sure as a friend of mine who is professor in international relations,state d after reading the Algerian comments in this blog "I can assure those guys are not living in the US if they are, they are in denial"keep barking and defending your butchers and write what the DRS is telling to write, it shows how low is your IQ and also you are helping us moroccans to look good in the USA
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#9
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-01-31 07:30
I live in Canton, Michigan and I'm in college dude, see what I mean? DRS this DRS that, and your telling me I'm barking and defending butchers? I'm defending my country which this blog is mainly about defaming, DRS my behind.
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#10
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-01-31 23:33
There in a college in Canton? Michigan?
My apologies, to the DRS ...
My apologies, to the DRS ...
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#11
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-01 16:16
RABAT - Morocco has received the first slice of a $2.5 billion aid package promised by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait, a Moroccan official said on Friday, part of pledge designed to cement ties between Arab monarchies.
As you all can see M6's trip to the golf states seems to be beneficial to Morocco. M6 was right to turn his attention to the Gulf and Europe. African dictators have nothing to offer.
It's a win win situation, everyone benefits from these relationship. We don't need Britain to come and tutor us on how to combat terrorism or France to promise us more visas. We don't need to hide the fact that we work with France and if they want us to open our skies to attack the terrorists, we will certainly oblige and everyone will hear about it. We won't do it under the table and try to fool our people.
Morocco is forging ahead and there is no looking back. We are doing it our way, perhaps not as fast as some would like but better slow than never. When I see what happens now in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia, It makes me happy that we did not lose our soul and start killing each other as the Algerians did before any of us. In Morocco we value life, we don't equate hostages with terrorists and kill everyone and call ourselves heroes in Addis Ababa but then go to Davos and say we made mistakes and we need help.
We can't live with two faces, a face for the Africans and a face for the Europeans.
The sad part if that this is what the Algerian citizen has been subjected to for the last 50 years on the hands of their own leadership.
I am not going to ridicule myself and say that everything is fine and dandy in Morocco, we have our own issues, but you know what? we'll leave with that and will continue see how we can do things better.
I know that Algerians want to be better and want to have a government that look after their needs and hopes, the sad part is that they are hopeless especially when you have their agents defend them tooth and nail as it was the case in Addis Ababa.
As you all can see M6's trip to the golf states seems to be beneficial to Morocco. M6 was right to turn his attention to the Gulf and Europe. African dictators have nothing to offer.
It's a win win situation, everyone benefits from these relationship. We don't need Britain to come and tutor us on how to combat terrorism or France to promise us more visas. We don't need to hide the fact that we work with France and if they want us to open our skies to attack the terrorists, we will certainly oblige and everyone will hear about it. We won't do it under the table and try to fool our people.
Morocco is forging ahead and there is no looking back. We are doing it our way, perhaps not as fast as some would like but better slow than never. When I see what happens now in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia, It makes me happy that we did not lose our soul and start killing each other as the Algerians did before any of us. In Morocco we value life, we don't equate hostages with terrorists and kill everyone and call ourselves heroes in Addis Ababa but then go to Davos and say we made mistakes and we need help.
We can't live with two faces, a face for the Africans and a face for the Europeans.
The sad part if that this is what the Algerian citizen has been subjected to for the last 50 years on the hands of their own leadership.
I am not going to ridicule myself and say that everything is fine and dandy in Morocco, we have our own issues, but you know what? we'll leave with that and will continue see how we can do things better.
I know that Algerians want to be better and want to have a government that look after their needs and hopes, the sad part is that they are hopeless especially when you have their agents defend them tooth and nail as it was the case in Addis Ababa.
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#12
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-01 23:40
Isam everything has a price I hope we are not accepting that money to sell our souls. Those Arabs will do anything to export their bedwin culture and wahabism. You don't want to see them dictating us how to live and how to dress. I will be very careful with those crazy of God "les fous de dieu" I don't trust them.
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#13
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-02 05:16
Algeria is a failed state. The sooner these DRS agents who've been paid to monitor this Moroccan website the better.
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#14
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-02 08:02
2.5 billion package aid? Waw lah yebarek akouya:)
Even though I have not seen any source for that aide (except for a fund worth 5 billion created in 2011 to help Morocco and Jordan but nothing recent).
What I dont getis what there to be proud of? Proud of being a beggars???
Instead of going to beg abroad, dont you think Morocco and irs people could have used
Billions generated by the phosphate Money? Or thw 2.5 billion sitting in the king personal account? Or maybe the annual budget of 300 millions allocated to the king?
Come my friend as an " educated person you should know better".
Touring the golf nations to beg for money should never be a source of pride, especially
Knowing how these people regard Moroccans, do you know that mist if these nations have a law forbidden them from giving visas to single Moroccan women?
As for your "chamata" in regards of what happened in Algeria during the 90's well we confronted the terrorism alone, and its mostley eradicated and we are re building our country now, with over 200 billion sitting in the bank that bellongs to the people of Algeria and not to some kind of Sharif office if you know what I mean.
As for the African union, you do know that Morocco will be always part of Africa and your deplomatic failure in regards of not being part of the AU is a laughning matter:)
Finally, try to have some pride.
Even though I have not seen any source for that aide (except for a fund worth 5 billion created in 2011 to help Morocco and Jordan but nothing recent).
What I dont getis what there to be proud of? Proud of being a beggars???
Instead of going to beg abroad, dont you think Morocco and irs people could have used
Billions generated by the phosphate Money? Or thw 2.5 billion sitting in the king personal account? Or maybe the annual budget of 300 millions allocated to the king?
Come my friend as an " educated person you should know better".
Touring the golf nations to beg for money should never be a source of pride, especially
Knowing how these people regard Moroccans, do you know that mist if these nations have a law forbidden them from giving visas to single Moroccan women?
As for your "chamata" in regards of what happened in Algeria during the 90's well we confronted the terrorism alone, and its mostley eradicated and we are re building our country now, with over 200 billion sitting in the bank that bellongs to the people of Algeria and not to some kind of Sharif office if you know what I mean.
As for the African union, you do know that Morocco will be always part of Africa and your deplomatic failure in regards of not being part of the AU is a laughning matter:)
Finally, try to have some pride.
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#15
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-02 13:09
anybody knows where is Morceli????
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#16
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-02 13:31
I go to UM Ann Arbor which is 20 minutes away from Canton, also good point Algerian. Listen to these people blaming Algeria for their problems, I brought this point up before but they would not believe me: Morocco's G.D.P is $90 Billion and ours is $267 Billion 30% of which is generated from Oil and Gas revenue. Negate the amount from Oil and gas and you will get $186.9 Billion, more than Double the G.D.P of Morocco. If they don't want to believe it then it's their problem but bottom line is this my fellow Moroccans: Algeria has a larger economy, better military, better ruling coalition, more freedom (almost all newspapers and tv stations are critical of the government and the parliament is vibrant and parliamentarian s don't get beaten in the street by police) we also have a much larger educated class and rank higher than you in almost every single category. We have Sovereignty over all of our land while you barely have any at all, even in the U.N the Western Sahara is approved as a future state and the Moroccan occupation is not recognized so here is how it's going to go down in the real world and not lala land: Morocco's king will use the $2.5 Billion to subsidize food so Moroccans won't rise against him, While us in Algeria continue to dominate in terms of projects, industry, and manufacturing. Your failed diplomacy will continue to fail and your not so up to date judiciary system will continue to bully the average Moroccan citizen and your King will continue to rack up his $300 Million dollar check every year from you guys
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#17
Tzair and Tzairia —
2013-02-02 17:33
@Tzairi parrot , when the king of Spain went to those countries , everyone including you were saying how good and patriotic this guy is , working for the interest of his country , and the same went for Hollands when he came to Tzair to take what he liked, you were so happy and happy to give him anything!!! and kiss his hands !!!BUT if the Moroccan monarch does the same you call this begging!!! and shamefull!!!! typical Tzair hypocrite and ignorance of the business world. AS for your $200 billions just forget it , you will never see a cent of it , it is all locked in the western banks , Tzair has only one choice to spend it on useless tanks and jets ortherwise it will go down in inflation which it has already done.Your obssesion with Morocco will destroy you . Trust me i have seen so many Tzairia women and there is nothing to be proud of , have you been to Marseille Or any other french town!!. Sweeping your dirt under the carpet wont hide it away for ever . Like i said before Tzair is all talks and no trousers .
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#18
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-02 17:47
algerian here i agree with you 90%,you see as moroccans we are not that bad to recognize our flaws,you should do the same and have civilized debate concerning our flaws and yours in very calm and inteligent way, in the end we are the only two countries who have almost 100% things in common
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#19
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-02 20:16
@riffi, I have nothing against Morocco but you must understand when you bring facts to the table and the only thing the person debating you has to say are cheap-shotinsul ts and hypocritical statements such as me being obsessed with Morocco while almost all his comments are about "Tzair" it makes you lose your cool. And dude Moroccan women are KNOWN world-wide for that kind of stuff, which is why Morocco generates so much tourism so give me a break, how can you use your own flaws and attack Algeria with them? And as for not seeing the $200.0 Billion, first off it isn't in foreign banks its in Algeria, and second off with all the projects going in in Algeria the total cost is $285.0 Billion for 5 years, how in the world will $2.5 Billion cover for even part of that in Morocco? all I have to say is this, I want proof, not subjective arguments that Algeria is a failed state, that it is worse than Morocco, and finally I want proof that your economy and democracy is better than ours. If you can prove to me that you guys are better than us, then I'll shut up and accept that, but if I can prove you wrong which I have so far using facts and not insults than you need to re-asses who you propose causes all your problems.
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#20
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-02 20:39
@S Hass,
You said
" typical Tzair hypocrite and ignorance of the business world"
Trust me, i am very familiar with the business word, and i am aware of the " No free lunch concept as well". In other words, there is a big difference between touring to attract business and
touring to ask for financial help, to be polite about it
"Gulf states hand Morocco first chunk of $2.5 bln aid package.
Morocco raised $1.5 billion via a bond sale in December, which lifted its foreign currency reserves to 140 billion dirhams - but that only covers about four months of import needs, which economists say is an uncomfortably low level.Morocco has received the first slice of a $2.5 billion aid package promised by wealthy Gulf Arab states, a Moroccan official said on Friday, part of pledge designed to cement ties between Arab monarchies in the wake of regional uprisings. The cash-strapped country relies on foreign aid, given its $90-billion economy is heavily exposed to the debt-scarred euro zone through trade, tourism revenues and migrant remittances."
english.alarabiya.net/.../...
Did you get the part where the word " hands" was used?
I have nothing but respect toward Morocco and Moroccans but i am just pointing out the obvious, since that "receiving" was used as something to be proud of.
you said"typical Tzair hypocrite and ignorance of the business world. AS for your $200 billions just forget it , you will never see a cent of it , it is all locked in the western banks , Tzair has only one choice to spend it on useless tanks and jets ortherwise it will go down in inflation which it has already done."
Now, thats a new low:) how old are you 2? never see a cent:)
We are not talking about Moh. l'épicier, Even countries like Libya and Irak got every penny back they had in Western banks after the lifting of the sanctions, please try to elevate you level, you remind me of the someone who sits in the "Kahwa tah houma" and starts analyzing the" worlds affairs".
Just an example, as you must know The US. finances its deficit through the sell of treasury bonds which pay close to nothing but they are considered a safe investment, and the US. can borrow as much as it wants though these bonds because its a well known fact that These bonds are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government to pay interest and pay back principal at maturity.
So what do you think will happen if the US. decides to stop paying its debt?
You said" Tzairia women and there is nothing to be proud of , have you been to Marseille Or any other french town!!."
I am only going to say " PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROW STONES " and i am going to leave it at that, unless you want me to elaborate.
@Riffi
I have no problem criticizing my country, i have never said that Algeria was heaven on earth, far from it, but i just don't like to criticize my country in foreign blogs.
You said
" typical Tzair hypocrite and ignorance of the business world"
Trust me, i am very familiar with the business word, and i am aware of the " No free lunch concept as well". In other words, there is a big difference between touring to attract business and
touring to ask for financial help, to be polite about it
"Gulf states hand Morocco first chunk of $2.5 bln aid package.
Morocco raised $1.5 billion via a bond sale in December, which lifted its foreign currency reserves to 140 billion dirhams - but that only covers about four months of import needs, which economists say is an uncomfortably low level.Morocco has received the first slice of a $2.5 billion aid package promised by wealthy Gulf Arab states, a Moroccan official said on Friday, part of pledge designed to cement ties between Arab monarchies in the wake of regional uprisings. The cash-strapped country relies on foreign aid, given its $90-billion economy is heavily exposed to the debt-scarred euro zone through trade, tourism revenues and migrant remittances."
english.alarabiya.net/.../...
Did you get the part where the word " hands" was used?
I have nothing but respect toward Morocco and Moroccans but i am just pointing out the obvious, since that "receiving" was used as something to be proud of.
you said"typical Tzair hypocrite and ignorance of the business world. AS for your $200 billions just forget it , you will never see a cent of it , it is all locked in the western banks , Tzair has only one choice to spend it on useless tanks and jets ortherwise it will go down in inflation which it has already done."
Now, thats a new low:) how old are you 2? never see a cent:)
We are not talking about Moh. l'épicier, Even countries like Libya and Irak got every penny back they had in Western banks after the lifting of the sanctions, please try to elevate you level, you remind me of the someone who sits in the "Kahwa tah houma" and starts analyzing the" worlds affairs".
Just an example, as you must know The US. finances its deficit through the sell of treasury bonds which pay close to nothing but they are considered a safe investment, and the US. can borrow as much as it wants though these bonds because its a well known fact that These bonds are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government to pay interest and pay back principal at maturity.
So what do you think will happen if the US. decides to stop paying its debt?
You said" Tzairia women and there is nothing to be proud of , have you been to Marseille Or any other french town!!."
I am only going to say " PEOPLE IN GLASS HOUSES SHOULDN'T THROW STONES " and i am going to leave it at that, unless you want me to elaborate.
@Riffi
I have no problem criticizing my country, i have never said that Algeria was heaven on earth, far from it, but i just don't like to criticize my country in foreign blogs.
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#21
to tziri —
2013-02-03 00:48
I doubted that you go to the UM (I started by checking if they have a class for kids with special needs...they don't) so I googled "Algeria ann arbor" and I got some Al Meida fine Algerian pastries, with the picture of ka3b ghazal!!!! oh the Algerian thieves... so my question, since it is clear you've never been to college, in Michigan or mostghanem... are you the cleaner at Al Meida or do you own the haith in near it?
You don't have a clue what GDP means... but ignorance never stopped you guys from opening your big mouths... your phrase "Morocco's G.D.P is $90 Billion and ours is $267 Billion 30% of which is generated from Oil and Gas revenue. Negate the amount from Oil and gas and you will get $186.9 Billion" is a testimony to all that is wrong with Algerians on this blog, first you get your facts wrong (suffice to google the GDP for both countries to know it, but then again, they don't teach google at UM), then you add something like "Negate", which begs the question, do you even know what "negate" means?
Th urgent thing to do is to shut your mouth and go to school, then, if you're successful, go to a community college, and if you're good, go back to Algeria, for those manufacturing jobs and the "267 billions"... after all, every village need their id***
You don't have a clue what GDP means... but ignorance never stopped you guys from opening your big mouths... your phrase "Morocco's G.D.P is $90 Billion and ours is $267 Billion 30% of which is generated from Oil and Gas revenue. Negate the amount from Oil and gas and you will get $186.9 Billion" is a testimony to all that is wrong with Algerians on this blog, first you get your facts wrong (suffice to google the GDP for both countries to know it, but then again, they don't teach google at UM), then you add something like "Negate", which begs the question, do you even know what "negate" means?
Th urgent thing to do is to shut your mouth and go to school, then, if you're successful, go to a community college, and if you're good, go back to Algeria, for those manufacturing jobs and the "267 billions"... after all, every village need their id***
+4
#22
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-03 12:09
Algerians have always suffered from an inferiority complex towards Moroccans. Their media is a constant barrage against Morocco and Moroccans. Algerians really have an identity complex, they really don't know who they are. I think 150 years of French subjugation must have something to do with it.
+3
#23
Tzair and Tzairia —
2013-02-03 12:56
WOW WOW the Tzairi parrot has been updated by the DRS with the 1970's data!!!!!, you are just proving my points , you said : who live in glass houses ..etc !!! you were he one who started it, not me , i was merely explaing to you that your ZULIKHAS are no better than any other and it looks to me that you are using an Algerian made calculator supplied by DRS free of charge, your number do not add up. if your Tzair is sooo great and rich then why we read in ECHROQUE newspaper the voice of DRS that many Tzairia still living below poverity line , no houses , no schools , no jobs , food prices are the highist in north africa , too many Haraga die in the sea !!! AGAIN NOTHING TO DO WITH ME , this is from your papers!!! You are a hypocrite because you change your views like a snake change it skin . i do not bother talking seriously with Tzairia because it is a waste of time . Your $200 billion is gone mostly owned by BP and co but your pea brain can not understand this . Regards from the sunny Tetouan
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#24
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-03 13:15
@Riffi , i did heard that Morcelli was abducted by aliens ship called DRS enterprise
-5
#25
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-03 13:20
@DZIRI,
Try not to lower your self to their level,Haras,Bor sa and Isam are
frustrated because we have overwhelmed them with tangible facts, and since they are intellectually bankrupted, they have to resort to personal insults and cheap propaganda that ranges from DRS agents to Idiots.....etc.
Instead of trying to prove us wrongs with facts and sources, they have to try to google your school or collage :)
Keep feeding them facts:)
Try not to lower your self to their level,Haras,Bor sa and Isam are
frustrated because we have overwhelmed them with tangible facts, and since they are intellectually bankrupted, they have to resort to personal insults and cheap propaganda that ranges from DRS agents to Idiots.....etc.
Instead of trying to prove us wrongs with facts and sources, they have to try to google your school or collage :)
Keep feeding them facts:)
-4
#26
like a rolling stone —
2013-02-03 14:47
Let's medidate the lyrics of this song
Once upon a time you dressed so fine,
Threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn't you ?
People'd call, say, "Beware doll, you're bound to fall,"
You thought they were all a'kiddin' you.
You used to laugh about
Everybody that was hangin' out.
Now you don't talk so loud,
Now you don't seem so proud,
About having to be scrounging your next meal.
How does it feel ?
How does it feel ?
To be without a home ?
Like a complete unknown ?
Like a rolling stone ?
Aw, you've gone to the finest school all right, Miss Lonely,
But you know you only used to get "juiced" in it.
Nobody's ever taught you how to live out on the street,
And now you're gonna have to get used to it.
You say you never compromise
With a mystery tramp, but now you realize
He's not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And say, "Do you want to make a deal?
How does it feel ?
How does it feel ?
To be on your own ?
With no direction home ?
A complete unknown ?
Like a rolling stone ?
Aw, you never turned around to see the frowns
On the jugglers and the clowns
When they all did tricks for you.
You never understood that it ain't no good,
You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you.
You used to ride on a chrome horse with your diplomat
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat.
Ain't it hard when you discover that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal ?
How does it feel ?
How does it feel ?
To have ya' on your own ?
With no direction home ?
Like a complete unknown ?
Like a rolling stone ?
Aw, princess on the steeple and all the pretty people
They're all drinkin', thinkin' that they've got it made.
Exchanging all precious gifts,
But you'd better take your diamond ring, you'd better pawn it babe.
You used to be so amused
At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used.
Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse.
When you ain't got nothing, you've got nothing to lose
You're invisible now, you've got no secrets to conceal.
How does it feel ?
Aw, how does it feel ?
To be on your own ?
With no direction home ?
Like a complete unknown ?
Like a rolling stone ?
Let's medidate the lyrics of this song
Once upon a time you dressed so fine,
Threw the bums a dime in your prime, didn't you ?
People'd call, say, "Beware doll, you're bound to fall,"
You thought they were all a'kiddin' you.
You used to laugh about
Everybody that was hangin' out.
Now you don't talk so loud,
Now you don't seem so proud,
About having to be scrounging your next meal.
How does it feel ?
How does it feel ?
To be without a home ?
Like a complete unknown ?
Like a rolling stone ?
Aw, you've gone to the finest school all right, Miss Lonely,
But you know you only used to get "juiced" in it.
Nobody's ever taught you how to live out on the street,
And now you're gonna have to get used to it.
You say you never compromise
With a mystery tramp, but now you realize
He's not selling any alibis
As you stare into the vacuum of his eyes
And say, "Do you want to make a deal?
How does it feel ?
How does it feel ?
To be on your own ?
With no direction home ?
A complete unknown ?
Like a rolling stone ?
Aw, you never turned around to see the frowns
On the jugglers and the clowns
When they all did tricks for you.
You never understood that it ain't no good,
You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you.
You used to ride on a chrome horse with your diplomat
Who carried on his shoulder a Siamese cat.
Ain't it hard when you discover that
He really wasn't where it's at
After he took from you everything he could steal ?
How does it feel ?
How does it feel ?
To have ya' on your own ?
With no direction home ?
Like a complete unknown ?
Like a rolling stone ?
Aw, princess on the steeple and all the pretty people
They're all drinkin', thinkin' that they've got it made.
Exchanging all precious gifts,
But you'd better take your diamond ring, you'd better pawn it babe.
You used to be so amused
At Napoleon in rags and the language that he used.
Go to him now, he calls you, you can't refuse.
When you ain't got nothing, you've got nothing to lose
You're invisible now, you've got no secrets to conceal.
How does it feel ?
Aw, how does it feel ?
To be on your own ?
With no direction home ?
Like a complete unknown ?
Like a rolling stone ?
-5
#27
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-03 15:30
Again cheap shot insults. Algerian do you see who were arguing with here, he thinks calling us cleaners is going to prove that he knows what he's talking about. Mission accomplished, I told him.I'd he could prove me wrong then i would admit he was right but he could not, and again Algerian diplomacy wins the debate even through its people.
+1
#28
To Dziri —
2013-02-03 17:18
oh so you go to UM Ann Harbor!! is your father an algerian general who pays for your tuition??
-6
#29
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-03 21:27
Your comment proves your ignorance (I commented before but the blog didn't post my comment for some reason). I told you to prove me wrong but you did not and again you fail to bring any sort of fact what so ever in your arguments unlike I, who did. As for our respective educations, just look at the difference between my debating and yours, you stick to cheap shot insults like "Your a cleaner" what in the world does that even entail exactly? What if I was a cleaner? Does that automatically make what I say irrelevant? As for University of Michigan, there are a lot of students who either are of Algerian backgrounds or come from Algeria on education visas, I have yet to meet a Moroccan who does though. Now as for the part about what GDP means, to put it simply to your childish mind it means economic output, something Morocco isn't exactly good at and relies heavily on Europe and the Gulf states to get it running. I gave you all the proof you need to show Algeria is a much better country overall but again you deny it and yet you can't present a single valid argument of your own. So I'm going to leave this blog with this final statement: Algerian Diplomacy wins again through its civilians who once again outsmarted, outclassed, and outdid their Moroccan counterparts
-6
#30
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-03 22:10
Your comment proves your ignorance (I commented before but the blog didn't post my comment for some reason). I told you to prove me wrong but you did not and again you fail to bring any sort of fact what so ever in your arguments unlike I, who did. As for our respective educations, just look at the difference between my debating and yours, you stick to cheap shot insults like "Your a cleaner" what in the world does that even entail exactly? What if I was a cleaner? Does that automatically make what I say irrelevant? As for University of Michigan, there are a lot of students who either are of Algerian backgrounds or come from Algeria on education visas, I have yet to meet a Moroccan who does though. Now as for the part about what GDP means, to put it simply to your childish mind it means economic output, something Morocco isn't exactly good at and relies heavily on Europe and the Gulf states to get it running. I gave you all the proof you need to show Algeria is a much better country overall but again you deny it and yet you can't present a single valid argument of your own. So I'm going to leave this blog with this final statement: Algerian Diplomacy wins again through its civilians who once again outsmarted, outclassed, and outdid their Moroccan counterparts.
+8
#31
to tziri —
2013-02-03 23:56
I don't buy it, when it comes to Algerians, only the good ones leave (Boudiaf), the rotten ones, like yourself and your midget president, Bouteflika, they tend to live longer...
And yes, we should apologize to all cleaners, they serve a purpose... unlike you, who serve a general
For education, let's put it this way, there are more Moroccans and Moroccan students in the US than Algerians and Algerians pretending to be students in the US... but then again, you must be somewhere in them dark DRS offices in Algiers,thus your ignorance...
Since you insist on bringing the DRS propaganda here, on the economic rise of Algeria, here is the cia comment on Algerian economy "Hydrocarbons have long been the backbone of the economy, accounting for roughly 60% of budget revenues, 30% of GDP, and over 95% of export earnings. ", now try and explain to us how you will pay for all the stuff you buy (including Chinese workers) without oil & gas revenues? and while you are at it, run for us a model of Algerian economy without oil & gas... because only then you can say this is the GDP of Algeria without oil & gas... BTW, they have a good program of economics in UM, you can make it you minor, since you seem to major in defending the cleaners...
And yes, we should apologize to all cleaners, they serve a purpose... unlike you, who serve a general
For education, let's put it this way, there are more Moroccans and Moroccan students in the US than Algerians and Algerians pretending to be students in the US... but then again, you must be somewhere in them dark DRS offices in Algiers,thus your ignorance...
Since you insist on bringing the DRS propaganda here, on the economic rise of Algeria, here is the cia comment on Algerian economy "Hydrocarbons have long been the backbone of the economy, accounting for roughly 60% of budget revenues, 30% of GDP, and over 95% of export earnings. ", now try and explain to us how you will pay for all the stuff you buy (including Chinese workers) without oil & gas revenues? and while you are at it, run for us a model of Algerian economy without oil & gas... because only then you can say this is the GDP of Algeria without oil & gas... BTW, they have a good program of economics in UM, you can make it you minor, since you seem to major in defending the cleaners...
+3
#32
Tzair and Tzairia —
2013-02-04 05:47
@ Tzairi parrot , from the nationalities of the hostages we now know why their countries started to side with the Polizario ( poliziball)!!! because the bribes of the Tzair oil and gaz money. Just look at the list and you see my point. The Tzairi pea brains are getting really mad with jealousy , they cannot understand what special about Morocco to get all these CASH!!! and Tzair is hated by all it neighours!!! If it wasnt for oil Tzair would have been Zair . Typical of Tzairia they come in talking tough then they start whinning like Zulikhas . I will talk numbers with you when you stop using that Tzairi made calculator otherwise it is a waste of time . We in this board NEVER SAID MOROCCO WAS PERFECT unlike you a hypocrite when you said you only criticize tzair in Tzair boards NOt on foreign boards!!! is this hypocrisy OR not?!!!!
-4
#33
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-04 13:46
First off there agree more Algerian students in the us and second off THATS WHAT I SAID,30 percent of gdp is oil and gas thus the rest is equal to 70 percent or 186.9 billion dollars, wow you really are dumb.
-4
#34
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-04 14:43
@Haras @s hass
What you guys have is called "Diarrhea of the mouth" which is constant talk with no information value. unstoppable talking. saying alot but saying nothing at all, not to be confused with saying alot by saying nothing at all. meaningless and unstoppable talk. drug-induced chatter. politics. barf.
In other words, Nothing new under the sun, instead of having a serious respectable debate, all what i keep getting is "Diarrhea of the mouth", and i refuse to lower my self to your level, because as i have said in many occasions, i do not have to insult you or call you names to make you look bad:)
So you keep digging that hole my friends:)
peace out :)
What you guys have is called "Diarrhea of the mouth" which is constant talk with no information value. unstoppable talking. saying alot but saying nothing at all, not to be confused with saying alot by saying nothing at all. meaningless and unstoppable talk. drug-induced chatter. politics. barf.
In other words, Nothing new under the sun, instead of having a serious respectable debate, all what i keep getting is "Diarrhea of the mouth", and i refuse to lower my self to your level, because as i have said in many occasions, i do not have to insult you or call you names to make you look bad:)
So you keep digging that hole my friends:)
peace out :)
-2
#35
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-04 18:59
Algerian, I'm with you on this one, I'm out too, I feel that I'm wasting my time picking a battle that we already won around 50 years ago :P good bye (P.S maybe all the drugs that Morocco produces is getting to their head?)
+5
#36
to tziri —
2013-02-04 19:24
I told you, when it comes to Algerians, only the good ones leave...
Since you claim to be a student, here is your assignment, read and try to understand:
Since you insist on bringing the DRS propaganda here, on the economic rise of Algeria, here is the cia comment on Algerian economy "Hydrocarbons have long been the backbone of the economy, accounting for roughly 60% of budget revenues, 30% of GDP, and over 95% of export earnings. ", now try and explain to us how you will pay for all the stuff you buy (including Chinese workers) without oil & gas revenues? and while you are at it, run for us a model of Algerian economy without oil & gas... because only then you can say this is the GDP of Algeria without oil & gas...
Since those questions are above your (cleaner) pay grade, why don't you check with one of your Algerian friends at the UM, the smart ones (even the cleaners) will tell YOU, that it was DUMB on your part to bring up those issues in the first place... and that IS A FACT... and I am sure, at this point you feel it yourself...
Since you claim to be a student, here is your assignment, read and try to understand:
Since you insist on bringing the DRS propaganda here, on the economic rise of Algeria, here is the cia comment on Algerian economy "Hydrocarbons have long been the backbone of the economy, accounting for roughly 60% of budget revenues, 30% of GDP, and over 95% of export earnings. ", now try and explain to us how you will pay for all the stuff you buy (including Chinese workers) without oil & gas revenues? and while you are at it, run for us a model of Algerian economy without oil & gas... because only then you can say this is the GDP of Algeria without oil & gas...
Since those questions are above your (cleaner) pay grade, why don't you check with one of your Algerian friends at the UM, the smart ones (even the cleaners) will tell YOU, that it was DUMB on your part to bring up those issues in the first place... and that IS A FACT... and I am sure, at this point you feel it yourself...
-2
#37
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-05 12:23
@Haras,
Beside your usual insults and lack of respect, you are actually making an effort and you are actually posting some."incomplet e" .....facts.
You did day the following " "Hydrocarbons have long been the backbone of the economy, accounting for roughly 60% of budget revenues, 30% of GDP, and over 95% of export earnings. "
The interesting thing is that you forgot to mention, what's the actual GDP, so we can get the exact figures:)
Lets use the same source you used (CIA WORD FACTBOOK)
Well according to that same source Algeria GDP is $274.5 billion
www.cia.gov/.../ag.html
Let's move to the Math part now according to that same source Hydrocarbons (oil an gas) make up 30% of Algeria's GDP and the rest of the GDP is made up of other sources, and since we have the actual figure for the GDP($274.5 billios)
The 70% of the GDP that is made up of sources outside the gas and oil sector = 274.5x 0.7= 192.15 billion.
Remember that we are talking about GDP so in other words, even without the oil and gas, Algeria's GDP is still higher than Morocco's GDP which is $171 billion.
Again, i have showed you that i can always make you look bad without having to call you names or insults, and remember in debating and in Law practice you should never ask a question you don't know the answer to.
End of the lesson.
Beside your usual insults and lack of respect, you are actually making an effort and you are actually posting some."incomplet e" .....facts.
You did day the following " "Hydrocarbons have long been the backbone of the economy, accounting for roughly 60% of budget revenues, 30% of GDP, and over 95% of export earnings. "
The interesting thing is that you forgot to mention, what's the actual GDP, so we can get the exact figures:)
Lets use the same source you used (CIA WORD FACTBOOK)
Well according to that same source Algeria GDP is $274.5 billion
www.cia.gov/.../ag.html
Let's move to the Math part now according to that same source Hydrocarbons (oil an gas) make up 30% of Algeria's GDP and the rest of the GDP is made up of other sources, and since we have the actual figure for the GDP($274.5 billios)
The 70% of the GDP that is made up of sources outside the gas and oil sector = 274.5x 0.7= 192.15 billion.
Remember that we are talking about GDP so in other words, even without the oil and gas, Algeria's GDP is still higher than Morocco's GDP which is $171 billion.
Again, i have showed you that i can always make you look bad without having to call you names or insults, and remember in debating and in Law practice you should never ask a question you don't know the answer to.
End of the lesson.
+2
#38
Tzair and Tzairia —
2013-02-05 14:23
@Tziari parrot , have a look at your echorook newspaper , there is an article about your Tzairia supporters who decided to HRAG ( to stay as illegal immigrants) in South Africa!!!!! than go back to Tzair!!!!! . We do not have to add anything , that is it folks.
-3
#39
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-05 18:52
no lies I love both of your countries but the Algerians know their stuff
+5
#40
Tziri EXPOSED —
2013-02-05 22:52
Finally, you decided to "negate" your second identity, (Dziri, student at UM), and you only use now the Algerian nickname, good... it was a bit dumb to see your comments always one after the other... what a coincidence... even worse, you were trying to have a conversation, and now Algerian is starting exactly where you "left", with the same dumb arguments, I knew that by focusing on Dziri, I'll get your true identity to emerge... "Prêcher le faux pour savoir le vrai" but I have to give it to you, it was a smart move to bring your significant other, "Tunisian" into the discussion, nothing says the truth better than a the true self under a fake nickname.
As for the GDP part, obviously you have no clue how economics works, and how GDP is generated... you can use all the kinder-garden subtraction tricks in your cleaner tool set, you still have to answer a simple question:
How are you going to replace 95% of export earnings
When you find the answer, please don't rush to post it on MB, try instead to share it with some real smart and patriotic Algerians who are looking for solutions to the problems that are created by some DUMB Algerians "wink wink"
As for the GDP part, obviously you have no clue how economics works, and how GDP is generated... you can use all the kinder-garden subtraction tricks in your cleaner tool set, you still have to answer a simple question:
How are you going to replace 95% of export earnings
When you find the answer, please don't rush to post it on MB, try instead to share it with some real smart and patriotic Algerians who are looking for solutions to the problems that are created by some DUMB Algerians "wink wink"
-3
#41
RE: Mali Highlights African Union Irrelevance —
2013-02-06 07:15
there we go again, instead of focusing on your joke of an argument, you see imaginary friends now?
As for the GDP thing , I proved to you beyond the shadow of a doubt, using the same source you posted that you do not know what you are talking about and now you want to switch to the exports?
I really think you got ridiculed enough, just try do your homework before like they say in French " Pete plus haut que son @#$"and try to learn some manners, because insults and name calling, wont make you look any smarter or your argument any more persuasive.
At the end if the day it might not be your fault, it might be the environment you were raised in that makes you act in such un classy manner.
As for the GDP thing , I proved to you beyond the shadow of a doubt, using the same source you posted that you do not know what you are talking about and now you want to switch to the exports?
I really think you got ridiculed enough, just try do your homework before like they say in French " Pete plus haut que son @#$"and try to learn some manners, because insults and name calling, wont make you look any smarter or your argument any more persuasive.
At the end if the day it might not be your fault, it might be the environment you were raised in that makes you act in such un classy manner.
+4
#42
to DZIRI —
2013-02-06 15:02
Unlike DUMB Algerians, on our side of the border, we perceive "argument" as something that is stronger than let's say, multiplying by 0.7 , a kid could do that, but then again, I've seen some smart kids, and I am awaiting to meet a smart algerian on this website...
As I said earlier, you have no clue how economics works, when all you export is oil and gas, and your imports are in the 40 billions, how are you going to pay for the stuff you are used to buy, when/if your exports stop?
Without the 75 billions that are injected in the economy from exports of hydrocarbons, that keep in trickling down and up from the government to the people, then to the services and back as taxes, how can you "guess" the GDP without oil and gas revenues...
As I said, your other self said, just doesn't get it, and, no coincidence there, same goes for the same you, and it has nothing to do with the environment, it is all on you, you can't blame the other for been dumb
As I said earlier, you have no clue how economics works, when all you export is oil and gas, and your imports are in the 40 billions, how are you going to pay for the stuff you are used to buy, when/if your exports stop?
Without the 75 billions that are injected in the economy from exports of hydrocarbons, that keep in trickling down and up from the government to the people, then to the services and back as taxes, how can you "guess" the GDP without oil and gas revenues...
As I said, your other self said, just doesn't get it, and, no coincidence there, same goes for the same you, and it has nothing to do with the environment, it is all on you, you can't blame the other for been dumb
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